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    Rodent desertion - useful keyboard shortcuts

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    jammycakes said:

    I'd personally like to go totally mouseless, but sadly there is far too much software out there whose keyboard support is incompetent at best and outright malicious at worst. For example, there is one program I have used that actually disables Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V for cut, copy and paste.

    I try not to use the mouse.  When I first experienced shoulder problems, I switched the mouse over to my left hand, and have used it there since.  I barely touch it.

    I've the nipple or touchpad on my Thinkpad for pointer use.  The nipple has excellent placement, but it requires quite a bit of pressure compared with the touchpad, that I can lightly touch.   So I sadly forsake it.

    I'm all into keyboard shortcuts, and totally rely on them.  I've learnt to barely use a pointer especially when I'm using the web browser.

    I don't think I've ever had a particluar problem using the mouse with my wrist and fingers unlike some.  I did find that it felt too far away when used to the right of the numpad on the keyboard.  And that it can be a distraction from hand placement on the keyboard.  I can also get into bad posture when using the mouse - I can be lopsided, get into other bad habits.  They are a wonderfully simplistic and elegant device though.

    Some keyboard tips:

    Use Opera with SHIFT and arrows, to navigate web page links (you might have to turn that setting on)

    Set up keyword shortcuts for quick search engine access - in Firefox and Chrome right click the keyword search field and add a search with a keyword.  For something like Google you can add a keyword of g.  Then to use it use CTRL+L to go straight to the location bar, then type 'g your search term' and hit enter.  This feature was borrowed from Opera too.  You loose out on some autocompletion, but you can set these up for multiple sites.

    In firefox use ' to find text only in links.  This is good for quickly jumping to site nav links, and search engine results.

    CTRL + PGUP/PGDN to switch between tabs.

    ALT + LEFT ARROW or BACKSPACE to go back a page.

    CTRL + T - to open a new tab

    CTRL + W - to shut a tab

    I could pretty much use Apple's Tiger OS without the mouse.  The last time I tried Ubuntu's unity I had to use the mouse for some operations.  And as you say, keyboard support seems to be a bit irratic and inconsistant between applications and OSs.

    If you do some or all of the above, you'll find you can cut down drastically upon your reliance upon the mouse.

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    I actually set a couple of times a small challenge (on Windows) – not to use mouse for a whole day. For normal tasks it's not a problem, but it's a bit annoying when browsing some pages with flash and need to use some of the player's options :D. Good fun.

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    Agree Flash can be a right git.   It's an accessibility headache in general.

    When flash has focus, you loose your usual shortcuts.  Example trying to scroll using the down arrow becomes useless.  How do you release the keyboard focus from Flash (without clicking outside the Flash region)?  Not to mention how you actually drive a Flash element with the keyboard.

    Another form of hijacking that I come across is using the right and left arrows for browsing a picture gallery in a web page.  They are a nice shortcut, but what happens if your window isn't wide enough and you have a horizontal scroll bar?

    Yeah ill considered and inconsistant (such is life...)

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    In today's Independent there's an article suggesting that the mouse is on it's way out fast:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style … 01857.html

    Where will that leave the keyboard?   (Still dreaming of it's demise.)

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    There are still many uses for the mouse. It'll be a while till it gets a real alternative.

    And hey, I love shortcuts, but I'm only human. Sometimes I'm lazy and I want to operate with the bare minimum fingers/movement. I've even got an extension to my browser so whenever I've marked a word I can quickly search for a trailer in youtube, or search imdb, wikipedia, and so on... I use it more often than you might think :D

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    Out of curiosity, what do we think about head tracking technology? Something like TrackIR or Freetrack? Granted I haven't seen it used for mouse control, but I was just watching a video clip of someone using TrackIR in ArmA 2 and I was thinking to myself that I would have loved to use something like that with the XP style panning (where the screen resolution was lower than the desktop resolution).

    Also, ever try the 'Gamer's Control' or 'Keyboard Navigation' extensions for chrome? Pretty sweet. Not together though.

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    I've used the keyboard navigation extension for Chrome.  There used to be a numbered links option in Lynx, that it reminds me of.  I'm a Firefox user myself (for reasons I shan't bore you with.)  If you use the ' key, you can search the page for text in links, which is pretty good for jumping to and activating them.

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    If you're truly intent on being as productive as possible with just a keyboard (as opposed to spending the time to move your hand to the mouse),  then you have a lot of cool things ahead of you. For example, there are Vim-like browser plugins (for both Chrome and Firefox), which let you completely control your browsing experience all with just keyboard shortcuts. And as for general keyboard movement, you can always try a highly customizable tiling manager (I like awesome-wm), which together with something like Vim as your text editor, make the ultimate keyboard experience.

    EDIT: In general though, using a mouse is practically required for GUI applications. And to go really hardcore, you might as well just go CLI on everything, probably using all ncurses applications.

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    I actually have more of an issue with the keyboard as a physical device, than the mouse.  The mouse overall I'd hazard to suggest increases accessibility.

    I tried driving my old Apple Powerbook (Tiger) with just the touchpad and got surprisingly far with it.  Alternatively I tried to control it through use of keyboard only - useful for say sitting down across the room with a keyboard on your lap.  It's really irritating though when you feel stuck, and are stranded without the pointer.

    The Apple desktop OS fared well though.  I guess thier attention to detail helped bring iOS alive.  How much can you do on your smartphone/tab, before you bring up the onscreen keyboard?

    Projects like Dasher show how much you can do with just the simple pointer.

    That TrackIR device is a great example of a natural feeling interface that can augment the cybernetic experience.  (I thought it was going to be a link to a head driven pointing device.  I remember a demo of someone moving a pointer with their lip, paralysis dictated the need for it.)

    I love the simplicity and elegance of the pointer.  The mouse sometimes gets a bad press.  It's the disjoint between keyboard and mouse that can feel odd.  You feel it less on a laptop, due to the proximity of the touchpad/nipple and keyboard.

    What irritates me is keeping a button depressed while moving the pointer.  Dragging for me is a drag, mainly because I end up exerting too much pressure on the button.  There are some accessibility options for this, like simulating a click on the touchpad, but I end up accidentally hitting it half the time.

    There are some tasks that a pointer does really well at and some not so.  I find pointer driven (nested) menus hard going.  And those without much (or lacking the finesse in) motor control must do too.  Moving through a pop up menu feels easier with the keyboard for me.

    I do feel some kind of barrier when trying to use programs that are primarily mouse driven, I'm then like a fish out of water.  Some people feel just as awkward when confronted with the command line and left to the keyboard.

    I liked the demo of the TrackIR, how could you utilize it?

    It's probably a non-open proprietry product which might preclude the use of it.  The Kinnect is another device with amazing potential.

    How does the TrackIR work?  I assume there is a gyroscope in the TrackIR headset.  I couldn't work out if the other device was a camera or a 3D tracker for the headset attachment.  It might actually be quite simple, compared with say the Kinnect - which I figure must use a ton of CPU.

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    The TrackIR uses a special infrared camera and clip that attaches to either a ballcap or headphones, with 2 or 3 reflectors. As your head moves the entire set moves in relation to the camera, and when your head turns the reflectors move in relation to each other. It is more or less a inverted version of the Wii controller's pointer function. Since it doesn't have to distinguish you head, nose, jaw, whatever from the background, it is much more efficient at what it does than Kinnect would be. On the other hand, it is no good for hand gestures.

    The Freetrack project uses more or less the same idea, but tries to do it with stuff you already have lying around the house or can throw together for under 30 bucks. Instead of a special camera, you laptop's webcam with some undeveloped camera film taped over it. The clip is a bit trickier as you either need to set up a infrared light somewhere so the clip has something to reflect, OR you need to have the infrared lights tacked onto the clip.

    As you pointed out, getting software to recognize the device is the real problem. It is like Multimonitor, increased DPI displays, 3D mice, alternate keyboard layouts... it all boils down to support.

    As for usage, I think it would be best suited for looking around desktops that are larger than the screen size. For instance, imagine being able to use a single laptop monitor with headtracking to replace THIS
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    EDIT: While looking up the links for TrackIR (official site, and Wikipedia) and FreeTrack (official site, wikipedia), I discovered that A) there is a no-infrared version facetracker called FaceTrackNoIR and B) the TrackIR people DO have a mouse replacement version. The video demo is pretty terrible though.

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