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    ...does it just feel slow as hell getting to a decent speed with a new layout?

    I got to 8-13WPMin the first week or so of learning Dvorak.  Now, I continue to have both good times and bad times, but I'm not all that much better; maybe 15-20WPM in general.  Well, according to TypeRacer.  Every day brings a few new confusions it seems, although I try to avoid them, and ironically very few of them seem to have to do with my QWERTY memory.  Mostly mixing up home row keys, like I/U and T/O and E/O and S/O and N/O and Y/O (don't know what it is with that damn O...).  Some of them are only temporary, and some are intermittent.

    Meanwhile, I don't go to TypeRacer often (maybe once a day) because, honestly, I suck at it.  I go there and the combination of the time limit and the WPM being shown in realtime is just a bit too much still and my accuracy (and speed) go straight to hell.  I think I just don't have the layout memorized well enough to do speed tests while reading text.  Yet--I can go get lyrics to a song at A-Z Lyrics or DarkLyrics and type them pretty well with minimal errors (avoiding the shift key), and things that just come to mind I can type pretty decently also (still slow, but acceptable accuracy for the most part).

    I basically feel as if I have gotten somewhere, yet at the same time I haven't.

    I can say that I really do feel much more comfortable typing on this layout in all my years on QWERTY, and the weird feeling that I used to get in my right hand and arm in that layout still hasn't come back.  The more leveled hand load and reduced finger travel distance can easily be perceived and I honestly wish I would've been taught Dvorak from the start.  The major downside?  I can't type one-handed any more while eating.  Heh.

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    I saw this quote on TypeRacer:

    Every time you practice a technique incorrectly, you're increasing your chances of doing it wrong again. Practice doesn't make perfect; only perfect practice makes perfect.

    and this other is from A.N.Palmer author of the Palmer Method of Business Writing:

    A few minutes in the right way are worth more than hours of practice in the wrong way.

    And also don't hurt your hands by excessive training, take it easy and nice.

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    I agree with VJustin and this boils down to the old wisdom: Accuracy before speed. And don't be afraid to take it slow until you feel the flow.

    I trained with games a lot; the thing about that is it focuses a lot on speed. Even the accuracy challenges were about speed. Maybe Amphetype sessions at your own pace with a text you like could be more beneficial, or at least a mix.

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    And with all that you need to be patient. Your progress looks quite fine to me.

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    Yup, it's work.  Best thing to do is make practice fun.   I'd suggest Typing of the Dead if you're on a pc.

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    Yeah, almost every time I go to TypeRacer I get a long enough passage that it's not likely that I'll be able to even finish it on time, and *then* it finally drops the speed.  But only after the time is completely up.  Wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that every time I go to the page it starts me back with the "normal" time limit, which is very annoying.  And the way the site is, if I ever click Back or Refresh (ie. to restart or get a new passage), back to square one.  Turning the time limit off completely would be nice.

    Really, like I said, I've been avoiding it for all these reasons for the most part except for a daily check on progress.  It's good for when you already know how to type well (I used it to get a rough estimate of my QWERTY speed before abandoning it), but I've found typing things that I can easily bring back into my mind (lyrics) to be better since I'm not racing against the clock or hitting Backspace so much.

    And actually... what you guys pointed out about repeating the same mistakes seems very likely when you consider the fact that so many words are completely or almost completely typed on the home row, and that's where most of my mistakes are.  In fact, in my time practicing, there were at least one or two mistakes I made that I immediately noticed and corrected, and some time later (a day or two) they popped up again as a real annoyance (ie. not just one-off mistakes anymore) out of nowhere.

    I currently have Linux and BSD installed on my computer, so I doubt that Typing of the Dead is an option... sounds fun though.  Not sure if it would run in Wine or not.

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    Oh when I started out, I remember it being slow going.  Everyone said to hell with speed, just focus on accuracy, but after a little while you get impatient.  I can remember looking at the times on Typeracer and thinking - are those other times listed at all even possible?  I would have been happy with a consistant 30wpm at the time.  Now I occasionally exceed 80wpm on there, which I never even felt was attainable to begin with.

    Anyway I'll reiterate the advice you've already had, focus on accuracy, and really don't worry yourself at all about speed.  I didn't even bother with Typeracer until much later on, as it was initially so frustrating.  I can't stand the texts there either.  Keep practicing with texts you like.  Lyrics are a great idea.  Or quotations.   Another thing I used was alphabetical sentences.  They are a little alien, but cover some oft neglected keys.

    At least you aren't finding it uncomfortable - I was (and still am) battling with keyboard comfort in general.

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    I did some more practice with song lyrics earlier.  It must have been a good day, because I wasn't making near as many mistakes.  I decided, since this was one of my better days of practice, to do a quick test round on TypeRacer.

    The results: 24WPM, 99.3% accuracy.  Still slow but better, and much better accuracy than I usually get on that site.  My QWERTY speed was generally around 50-60WPM (bursts of 65-70 or more on occasion) with nearly 100% accuracy every time before giving it up in case anyone is interested.

    By the way, as I said in a previous post, I started with on-screen images and then later put some temporary stickers on the keys.  The last week or so I haven't even been looking down at the stickers, and as the home row stickers have been coming off I haven't been replacing them.  Now the home row lacks all the stickers except the -_ key (least used, hasn't come off yet).  Not sure if the other stickers are needed or not now, since I really don't even look at the keyboard when typing usually.  They're mostly useful for hitting shortcuts quickly, but I'm starting to remember the Dvorak shortcut keys by sight and by standard QWERTY letter now.

    I originally decided to learn Dvorak as a secondary layout but within a couple days decided to abandon QWERTY.  I haven't really touched that layout for a while now for anything serious.  Yet I have been faced with the QWERTY layout a couple times now on occasion recently (VirtualBox virtual machines and DOSBox), and I can now barely type with it... I keep going for the Dvorak keys now... heh.  To avoid screwing with my Dvorak progress, I'm not making any attempt to keep my QWERTY skills up.

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    I couldn't get TotD to work with Wine, at least. :(

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    DreymaR said:

    I couldn't get TotD to work with Wine, at least. :(

    For Linux and Mac users, you can try web game like this site
    http://www.freetypinggame.net/

    There are about 10 different games and tests there, so you will likely have a fun time while practising.

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    Of course. But none of them hold a candle to the fun that is Typing Of The Dead! :)

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    I did another bunch of TypeRacer tests just a little bit ago.  I've found that I can much more reliably sustain a speed in the mid to high 20s (25-28WPM), and my highest was around 30-32WPM if I remember right.  Much less confusion after making mistakes as well as less time remembering the actual location of the keys means less time wasted trying to get back on track.  My accuracy was also pretty decent for the most part, and very good at times (but not quite as good as what I used to do on QWERTY).  My only practice lately has just been basically using Dvorak as my everyday layout.

    I'm at about half or a bit more of my previous QWERTY typing speed... and it feels like once I get fully up to my old speed and get more of the combos down, I might be able to surpass it.  The reason: There seems to be far fewer aspects of typing with Dvorak that slow me down (weird sequences like row jumping, too-frequent use of hard to reach keys, etc.) compared to QWERTY, even at this relatively early stage.  That said, even if I don't actually get faster in the end, it's well worth it because it feels so much better.

    The very last practice round was 30WPM @ 97.8% accuracy.

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    Woo-hoo!  I can now get short bursts of 40-45 WPM.  My average throughout the day is still all over the place, but in general it's somewhere in the mid to high 30s.  I am finally reaching my old average, and it's been about a month on Dvorak.  There's still plenty of speeding up that I think can be done in several areas, as well as accuracy in general (which still goes down if I try too hard to type faster).  I think those two things will correct themselves over the next several days and weeks as I continue to type more.  Comfort continues to improve, as well as the mental effort (and time) between each keystroke, seemingly still every other day or two.  I used to make many frequent odd mistakes (ie. forget the space between words) but that has been significantly reduced as it continues to feel more fluent.

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