Ah, my bad then about your abbreviations. I never accused you of not knowing what we're talking about though; maybe you misread me too?

If you want to make something mature-looking, no problem. My idea is to make a T-shirt that anyone can buy separately by specifying an image file, so it shouldn't bother you what I'm making and vice versa (I still hope someone will help me discuss/make a design that suits my taste and hopefully some other peoples' too). It's not as if this "we" of which you speak are preparing to order a number of shirts from a company, afaik.

I think a chrome flash or colorful globe/flag/whatever might suit me just fine; I'm looking for a cheerful attention-getter for myself. If I want to be tasteful a T-shirt won't be my choice apparel anyway.  :)

and all this time I have been holding my breath for a fantastic tasteless colemak keyboard globe on a black background.    may be even glow in the dark!

oh well, I guess I will breathe now. 

:-)
KBS

Sorry, Dreymar, I wasn't attacking you or anything, i was just kidding! Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I'm still really busy, so I don't have much time at the moment (thats why I didn't reply for so long.) I will be free again in a few weeks or so, but right now exams are coming up, so you guys can have a break of my pesky comments and stuff! xD
By the way: the wikipedia article in german is nearly finished, but I will probably only manage to complete it by some time in June.

how about just like this but the reflection be QWERTY ?

   
     colemak
     c;ukman

okay just a hair brain thought...

Yeah, that's actually a really good idea, kbs, i'll try it. However, i think most people wouldn't get it.. maybe?
Or perhaps I'm just underestimating the average cave man!

Here's my idea...

So when an average computer-savvy person sees the front, they'll recognize the pattern and notice the arrow and question mark. It'll set them thinking, "Yeah, what is semicolon doing there?" The Colemak domain is easy enough to remember and is prominently displayed on the back of the shirt. I think it would work better with darker colors: black or dark pastels with white text.

Actually, now that I think about it, a tagline of "Which one doesn't belong?" or "Spot the unlike one." might be more effective.

I am more than averagely computer-savvy, and I swear I have no idea whatsoever as to what you're trying to say with that design. All I see is an ugly QWERTY home row that ends in a semicolon with a question mark that tells me nothing at all (bar the fact that the US QWERTY home row has a comma). Sorry.

Why focus on the semicolon? It's the least important character on that row, together with J maybe. And what happened to the lovely blue reflection (with Colemak)? By the way, instead of reflecting "Colemak" there could also be "ARSTD HNEIO" vs. "ASDFG HJKL;" on the front and "colemak.com" vs. "c;ukmak.c;m" on the back?

If I failed utterly to understand your point at first attempt, don't expect it to be very intuitively easy for others maybe? Or maybe I'm ignorant of some vital piece of common knowledge.  :)

I don't know if I would get it just seeing it but when when you explained it I thought it was pretty funny.

What would be more funny is instead of just the question mark you have

" WTF ? "

because that is my reaction now.   :-)

I'll get one!

A message on a shirt needs to be succinct and easy to comprehend at a glance. I can see that my design is pretty ambiguous, so I'll try thinking of others. I agree it doesn't work well, but I think my goals differ from yours.

I think you'd like a Colemak shirt as a sort of trophy, a novelty item or cool, quirky thing to wear. My reason for wanting to wear a Colemak shirt would be to convert others to this great layout: I'm trying to sell this idea to those around me. I need propaganda.

Most people don't look at their keyboards--they don't know the keys sitting right in front of them for their entire life. So it's quite jarring when I point out the semicolon on the home row, so infrequent most don't know its grammatical function. It gets their attention. Most will say, "Yeah, that's pretty weird. I never thought of that." They will go on with their day and never think of it again.

But there are a few that will continue this line of thought. "I wonder why it was placed there. Who invented this arrangement, anyway?" Then you can tell them about CapsLock: "Yeah, such a goofy function doesn't belong in a location that useful."

That's when you hit them with the letter frequency-statistics, 'E' on the top row, 'J' below your index finger, etc. Tell this to someone who happens to walk by while you're clacking away on your Colemak'd keyboard, unprepared and out of the blue, and they'll probably give you a weird look, shuffle away, and avoid you like the plague.

Our biggest challenge is lack of awareness. When enough people realize they've been using an input system unchanged in 130 years, that's when we'll see some real changes. (and maybe a Wikipedia article :P)

lol, that's a bit too long, but definintely going in the right direction! However, I have the concern that people think we are physically making a new keyboard which we would need to stress on the website. Oh yeah, for coolness purposes: colemak.com !! (As some of you might have noticed, there is a fashion of leaving out he "www." bit of a url.)

Oh, wow.  I didn't expect you to reply that fast.  I was looking at the post above and thinking "wait- I didn't type that..."

So, how about something like:

Remember how hard it was to learn to type?  It wasn't your fault.  Some guy's typewriter wouldn't work 130 years ago.  Tell me why that should be your problem.

Use colemak, and you'll see why 2015 won't be like 1885.

Ok, sorry.  That was a bit lame.  If you have any general ideas that need polishing, though, I can do it for you.  I'm running a little dry on original stuff right now...