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From QWERTY to Colemak and touch typing

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I'm 32 years old, and I've never been able to do touch typing.

Although I use almost all my fingers when typing, I only use 4 fingers for letters (QWERTY layout). My right index finger, my left index finger, my left middle finger and my left ring finger (for A alone). I have also noticed that I've come to alternate fingers for certain keys depending on what keys come next. For example, when I type "mountain" I use the left index finger for the "m" whereas I use the right index finger in the word "market". This is wholly automatic. I'm also left-handed, so I guess the QWERTY layout suits me better than it does right-handed people as it's heavily weighted on the left side of the keyboard. Having spent tens of thousands of hours typing with this method I have been able to achieve speeds of 120+ WPM.

My current QWERTY records at Hi-games.net ( http://hi-games.net/profile/6048 ):

Game        Score        Rank       
Typing Test: 5 Minutes        113 wpm        #55
Typing Test: 1 Minute        130 wpm        #60
Typing Test: 2 Minutes        122 wpm        #64
Typing Test: 30 Seconds        137 wpm        #79

My Typeracer record is around 150 wpm and my all time average 119 wpm. My "10fastfingers.com" record is 148 wpm for English (which is faster than in my native language, Swedish). This is, I suppose, because the Swedish words are not nearly as common as the words in the English test.



A while back (01 September 2012) I decided to give Colemak/touch typing a try simply to see if it was more convenient for me (although I have no hopes of attaining my QWERTY-speed in this lifetime). I still use QWERTY at work and pretty much only use Colemak while practising at Hi-games.net. The first day I spent learning the layout by heart. From the second day I have been using Hi-games.net 60 second typing tests to track my progress. Here are my results so far from Day 2 until today (Day 9) in WPM:

Daily results     Average  High       Low
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Day 2              17,66     24         11   
Day 3             23,98     29         18
Day 4             26,74     34         19
Day 5             29,62     38         21
Day 6             30,87     41         25
Day 7             33,82     40         27
Day 8             37,60     44         29
Day 9             41,42     51         34
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I have done between 60 and 100 tests each day (practising more doesn't seem to help me much). A total of 640 tests so far. I have also used the following site for a couple of hours to help me be more effective with the home row: https://www.sense-lang.org/typing/tutor … EN_colemak

Although I still feel tremendously handicapped while using Colemak, I have to say it seems easier to learn than I would have ever imagined.

Since I don't use touch typing normally for QWERTY I haven't really had any problems mixing up the two layouts as I type in completely different ways.

My biggest problem so far isn't specifically Colemark-related but I guess touch typing-related. Namely that I have problems with capital letters. Especially a bit longer acronyms. On QWERTY I use only the right shift key and can easily type with only caps without any bigger reduction in speed or comfort. But, let's say I would like to type "AND". In the typing tutors it says I'm supposed to use the shift key which is on a different hand than the letter in question. But here the letters alternate from left to right and back to left. How would you people type "AND" normally (with the double quotes it's even harder)? I can't think of a convenient way to type this using touch typing.

As for my future plans for Colemak, I don't really know. So far I'm sufficiently impressed by my progress to be motivated to practise it further. I guess I will continue practise using it on a daily basis for as long I have the time and don't get bored with it. Or until my progress slows down too much.

Compared to my normal method of typing I can really feel how the travel distance for the fingers is only a fraction in Colemak compared to what I'm used to, so I'm quite curious about what kind of speed would be realistic to attain in say, a year or so. Another advantage is that my Colemak typing is infinitely quieter than my normal typing.

It also seems to be very comfortable. Even after hours of practice I have never felt any sort of discomfort in any of my fingers.

I hope to keep posting my progress here for as long as I will go on practising.

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I had exactly the same issues with the shift keys when I first started out with 'proper' touch typing.  It really put a dampner on doing the tutorials - as it would really upset my flow.  I did however force myself to use opposite hands when shifting, but occasionally I'll use the same hand if it feels better.

For longer words that are all caps - how about just getting into the habit of using the caps-lock - that's what it is there for.  And it's easier.  With caps and double quotes (which requires cat like prowess,) you might want to look at sticky keys.

I think the simultaneous key presses are a hangover from the manual typewriter days.  I used to think that chords would be the answer to all my prayers but doubt that now.

Text input aids such as auto-caps and correct spacing after a full stop - would surely help this.

Possibly change your practice prose when starting out, some texts are dialogue heavy - and are a real pain.  I took the top 200 most common words, and placed them in a text file and practiced them, knowing that the majority of the language would be catered for that way.

ISO Dvorak places the double quote nearer the home row (in Qwerty's Q position) - some forward thinking there.

If you just keep at it, you'll overcome the initial hurdle though.

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Sticky keys might be the answer for you, though I'll tell you how I'm using shifts.

While more often than not I'm using the opposite shift, sometimes I'm using the same hand shift, depending on what the next key is. It's all automatic now, as you mentioned about "mountain" in your case. And whenever I'm using it with the same hand as the other character, I'm not strictly stuck my fingers on their "default" keys. For example if I'm typing capital F followed by a character(s) on the right side, I'd often use my index finger for the F, since it doesn't require that much stretching.

About typing AND and "AND", I would use only the right shift for AND, but only the left for "AND". Whenever I'm doing something similar I'm forgetting the fingers' normal key-assignments, and I'm hitting the keys with the most comfortable finger. It usually almost doesn't slow me down unless it's a longer word, that requires me to change the shift keys at certain point in the middle of the word.

It's all automatic for me now, the same way I use two backspaces, depending on which is more comfortable, and sometimes I hit both, to delete faster. The thing you said about moving your fingers freely around the keyboard, depending on the consequent characters isn't something you can't do in Colemak. But while learning in the early days, it's better to stick to the classic touch typing, until you're very comfortable with the position of the letters and the whole keyboard. For a fairly long time I felt a bit restricted by the touch typing "rules", but once I realised they're not exactly "rules" and I can do whatever I want, it became a different story.

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Thanks for the tips.

It has now been 23 days since I started learning Colemak. Results so far:

Day:    Avg.    High    Low    Median
Day 2    17,66    24    11    18
Day 3    23,98    29    18    24
Day 4    26,74    34    19    26,5
Day 5    29,62    38    21    29,5
Day 6    30,87    41    25    30
Day 7    33,82    40    27    34
Day 8    37,60    44    29    39
Day 9    41,42    51    34    42
Day 10    43,80    54    34    44
Day 11    46,17    56    37    46
Day 12    48,53    60    40    48
Day 13    49,72    58    41    50
Day 14    50    59    41    50
Day 15    50,68    61    42    51
Day 16    52    65    45    53
Day 17    54,50    66    48    55,5
Day 18    61,35    73    50    61,5
Day 19    60,15    72    55    60
Day 20    61,19    73    49    62
Day 21    61    73    50    61
Day 22    64,13    77    54    63,5
Day 23    65,51    75    54    67

My best results:
Hi-games.net: 77 wpm
Typeracer: 77 wpm
Amphetype: 77.6  wpm
10 fast fingers: 84 wpm

I lately started using Amphetype, and I have discovered there's a huge difference in my typing speed for different keys. My fastest are (counting only letters): h(???) (105.1 wpm), b (101.9 wpm), a (97.1 wpm), t (95.3 wpm) and w (92.1 wpm). At the lower end of the spectrum: j (22.2(!) wpm), z (49.4 wpm), x (52.2 wpm), k (52.2 wpm), p (60.3 wpm), g (62.7 wpm).

I guess it should come as no surprise that my fastest keys are those that are the same as in QWERTY, but I for sure wouldn't have expected the "H"-key to be on top.

I have to say that Amphetype is really useful for identifying one's weaknesses.

By the way, according to Amphetype my most damaging key is "space", which is also my fastest. Anyone knows based on what this is calculated? I don't understand how it could possibly be the most damaging key if it's also the fastest.

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Great progress.

For SPACE, I think you are damaging that word with impressive speed. Luckily space is extremely huge so your damage does not affect it much.

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Ahhh... Literally, physically "damaging". :D I don't know why that didn't even occur to me. I assumed it was something about breaking the flow of typing or something. Thanks.

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The prize for best forum post this month goes to Tony. ;)

I actually read that as not the space bar but the universe. It's so extremely huge, our typing habits don't really affect it much - to say the very least! Haha.

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So the time has come to sum up the first month of my Colemak experience (results below from Hi-games 1 minute tests):

Day    Aver.    High    Low    Median
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Day 2    17,66    24    11    18
Day 3    23,98    29    18    24
Day 4    26,74    34    19    26,5
Day 5    29,62    38    21    29,5
Day 6    30,87    41    25    30
Day 7    33,82    40    27    34
Day 8    37,60    44    29    39
Day 9    41,42    51    34    42
Day 10    43,80    54    34    44
Day 11    46,17    56    37    46
Day 12    48,53    60    40    48
Day 13    49,72    58    41    50
Day 14    50    59    41    50
Day 15    50,68    61    42    51
Day 16    52    65    45    53
Day 17    54,50    66    48    55,5
Day 18    61,35    73    50    61,5
Day 19    60,15    72    55    60
Day 20    61,19    73    49    62
Day 21    61    73    50    61
Day 22    64,13    77    54    63,5
Day 23    65,51    75    54    67
Day 24    67,26    75    61    66
Day 25    67    77    60    66,5
Day 26    66,92    77    60    67
Day 27    68,07    82    60    67
Day 28    68,62    80    60    69
Day 29    73,21    80    64    73
Day 30    72,98    87    63    72
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Personal bests:       
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10 fast fingers:    106    2012-09-30
Hi-games (1m):    87    2012-09-30
Amphetype:    96,2    2012-09-30
Typeracer:    98    2012-09-30
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That my result is better in 10 fast fingers is of course because it doesn't have any punctiation or other "weird" special characters, and that it has a limited set of very common words. Earlier today I scored 100 wpm with 15 misspelled words, so there's definitely much room for improvement. In Typeracer I have seen my speed being above 110 wpm for more than 10 seconds a couple of times.

My analysis:
Before starting with Colemak I assumed that starting with a new keyboard layout would be synonymous with going back to square one, but this was not at all the case (at least not with Colemak). It's more like going back to square three (out of ten let's say), but this time run through the track you already know and easily dodging the obstacles that caused so much problems the first time.

So far I don't actually use Colemak in practice (neither at work, nor at home), though (just for practising at Hi-games, Typeracer etc) as I find it quite annoying to "get started" typing each time after using the mouse (I still have to search a bit for the homerow default finger position). This post is written entirely in Qwerty. ;)

I still feel there's a lot of room for improvement, so I guess I will continue practising for as long as I continue to make decent progress (and have time). I still don't really know if I will make the full switch to Colemak, though. It's still, of course, a lot more convenient for me to use my old method of typing (even if I have to move my fingers a lot more) since I don't really have to think or focus when using it. I tend to make a lot of errors with Colemak when I don't focus carefully.

Overall my learning Colemak hasn't had much influence on my old typing method, but I have noticed that on days when I have practised much Colemak and type something slowly with my old method, I tend to start thinking and using more fingers than I "should" and mixing up keys a bit, but it hasn't really been a big problem.

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Excellent written.

I agree with you that thinking only interferes and slows down typing, which is muscle memorization. If you are thinking then your fingers tend to wait until your thinking is over.

If you can keep both layouts then it's good for you. Do whatever you feel right. With your same good reflex you can get the same speed in any layout. With Colemak you can type with more comfort, however.

Trouble with maintaining several layouts at the same time is high error rate, but that's fair in exchange for flexibility and compatibility.

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It has now been 1.5 months since I started practising Colemak.  Here is my latest progress report:

Personal bests (WPM):       
10 f. fingers:    106    2012-09-30
High-games:    92    2012-10-10
Amphetype:    101,8    2012-10-14
Typeracer:    99    2012-10-10 (Average of last 10 races: 84)

Average WPM on day 45 at hi-games.net over twenty 1-minute attempts: 79,4 (max: 88, min: 72, Median: 80,5)

Progress has, as could be predicted, slowed down a lot. No big improvements of personal bests, but at least the minimum speeds seem to be on the rise. My typing seems to be fluctuating a lot with bursts of speed over 120 WPM with occasional mistakes breaking the rhythm and ruining the speed and experience a lot. Probably I should try to focus on hard to type words/finger sequences.

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That would be extremely fast speed. Eventually you will reach your old Qwerty speed, and overtake it.

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After two months of Colemak:

Personal bests:       
10 fast fingers:    113    2012-10-29
High-games:    94    2012-10-20
Amphetype:    112.9    2012-10-30
Typeracer:    102    2012-10-27

My average WPM is around 82 on 1-minute attempts at hi-games.net, so during the second month I have improved around 9 WPM (average speed). I have a feeling that I'm really typing a lot faster now than I did at the end of the first month, but I also have the feeling that the faster I type, the longer it takes for me to recover from my errors, which also ruins the rhythm, so the average speed hasn't improved all that much.

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True, the faster your car runs, the harder it is to apply the brakes. Ironically if you try to type slower to maintain accuracy you will type faster.

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Three months have now passed since I started learning Colemark.

Personal bests:       
10 fast fingers:        129    2012-11-17
High-games (1 min)    105    2012-11-29
Amphetype:        128    2012-11-24
Typeracer:        116    2012-11-30

Average WPM on day 92 at hi-games.net over twenty 1-minute attempts: 91.75 (max: 104, min: 82, Median: 94) which means my average speed has improved almost 10 WPM since last month which is better than last month's progress.

Monthly averages/bests at Typeracer:

Month            Average    Best
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November 2012    92.97    115.54
October 2012    78.94    102.49
September 2012    66.76    98.20

Still making steady progress, now with short bursts of speeds over 140 WPM.

It more and more seems to me that the eventual limit of speed for touch typing and Colemak is not really about finger movement itself (as was the case with my previous method), but rather about finger "twisting" which is very noticeable when doing the 10 fast fingers test.

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Nice work there!

Could you explain what you mean by finger "twisting", please? Maybe give some examples too.

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I guess what I really mean is that instead of actually moving the whole hand as with my old method of typing I have to bend my fingers and stretch them in weird ways a lot, which feels a bit awkward when typing certain combinations of letters. But I guess the only way to solve that problem would be to learn to use different fingers for the same keys depending on the sequences.

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Do whatever you feel right. After use the standard touch typing positions for a while now you can safely ignore the standard and try what's the best for the individual you.

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After four months:

Personal bests:       
10 fast fingers:        132    2012-12-17
High-games (1min):    110    2012-12-17
Amphetype:        128    2012-11-24
Typeracer:        123    2012-12-29


Hi-games.net bests:

Game        Score        Rank       
Typing Test: 5 Minutes
        99 wpm        #127
Typing Test: 30 Seconds
        122 wpm    #180
Typing Test: 1 Minute
        110 wpm    #204
Typing Test: 2 Minutes
        104 wpm    #218


Typeracer:

Month    Average    Best    Races    Wins    Win %
December 2012    102.88    122.80    125    67    53.60
November 2012    92.97    115.54    410    184    44.88
October 2012    78.94    102.49    515    163    31.65
September 2012    66.76    98.20    267    80    29.96

Average WPM on day 123 at hi-games.net over twenty 1-minute attempts: 96.24 (max: 108, min: 82, Median: 88).

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Impressive. Oh, and: Happy new year! ;)

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Wow. Another success story.

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After 5 months:

Personal bests:       
10 fast fingers:        139    2013-01-19
High-games (1m):    116    2013-01-27
Amphetype:        137.3    2013-01-19
Typeracer:        123    2012-12-29


Hi-games.net:

Game        Score        Rank       
Typing Test: 5 Minutes
        99 wpm        #132
Typing Test: 30 Seconds
        127 wpm        #145
Typing Test: 1 Minute
        116 wpm        #153
Typing Test: 2 Minutes
        104 wpm        #223


Typeracer averages per month:

Month    Average    Best    Races    Wins    Win %
January 2013    107.51    122.45    105    55    52.38
December 2012    102.88    122.80    125    67    53.60
November 2012    92.97    115.54    410    184    44.88
October 2012    78.94    102.49    515    163    31.65
September 2012    66.76    98.20    267    80    29.96

Average WPM on day 156 at hi-games.net over twenty 1-minute attempts: 97.55 (max: 115, min: 87, Median: 96).

An improvement with only 1.31 WPM since last month, although the peak speeds have increased. I anticipate that progress from now on will be very slow.

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Half a year has now passed since I started using Colemak.

Personal bests:

10 fast fingers:        140    2013-02-26
High-games (1min):    123    2013-02-10
Amphetype:        137,3    2013-01-19
Typeracer:        126    2013-02-05


Hi-games.net:

Game        Score        Rank       
Typing Test: 5 Minutes
        104 wpm        #103
Typing Test: 1 Minute
        123 wpm        #108
Typing Test: 30 Seconds
        131 wpm        #133
Typing Test: 2 Minutes
        108 wpm        #177


Typeracer averages by month:

Month    Average    Best    Races    Wins    Win %
February 2013    111.22    126.17    69    43    62.32
January 2013    107.51    122.45    105    55    52.38
December 2012    102.88    122.80    125    67    53.60
November 2012    92.97    115.54    410    184    44.88
October 2012    78.94    102.49    515    163    31.65
September 2012    66.76    98.20    267    80    29.96


Average WPM on day 183 at hi.games.net over twenty 1-minute attempts: 101.80 (max: 109, min: 90, Median: 102.5).

I also attempted a 50-minute test at hi-games.net and reached 95 WPM without any discomfort or fatigue whatsoever to the hands or fingers (just my eyes were a bit tired). I would never have been able to accomplish that with my old method of typing for sure.

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> I also attempted a 50-minute test at hi-games.net and reached 95 WPM without any discomfort or fatigue whatsoever to the hands or fingers

Amazing.

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Nice! Congratulations on your efforts and their fruits.

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It has now been over a year since I started learning Colemak in September 2012. I don't really use it as frequently as I used to, but I try to use it a few times per week at least.

My current personal bests:

10 fast fingers:        144 (still 4 away from my QWERTY-record)
Amphetype:        137,3 (stopped using)
Typeracer:        135

Hi-games.net:

Game        Score        Rank       
Typing Test: 5 Minutes
106 wpm        #104
Typing Test: 1 Minute
123 wpm        #121
Typing Test: 30 Seconds
135 wpm        #124
Typing Test: 2 Minutes
113 wpm        #145

Also tried some "sprint" tests (best results):

1 second:  228 wpm
2 seconds: 192 wpm
3 seconds: 184 wpm
4 seconds: 177 wpm
5 seconds: 180 wpm
6 seconds: 164 wpm
7 seconds: 154 wpm
8 seconds: 157 wpm
9 seconds: 170 wpm
10 seconds: 153 wpm

Typeracer (I rarely use it these days):

Month    Average    Best    Races    Wins    Win %
August 2013    117.16    134.82    27    13    48.15
July 2013    113.13    115.88    5    5    100
May 2013    112.30    124.15    9    4    44.44
April 2013    119.65    135.45    33    18    54.55
March 2013    114.45    129.50    48    31    64.58
February 2013    111.22    126.17    69    43    62.32
January 2013    107.51    122.45    105    55    52.38
December 2012    102.88    122.80    125    67    53.60
November 2012    92.97    115.54    410    184    44.88
October 2012    78.94    102.49    515    163    31.65
September 2012    66.76    98.20    267    80    29.96

Still the biggest problem is accuracy. On an easy enough text without mistakes I'm now able to do around 150-180 wpm for short periods of time as the hi-games.net sprint tests show. I still haven't been able to reach my old Qwerty speeds, though, but I'm quite close. It seems to me that reaching 90% of old Qwerty speed from scratch is more than ten times easier than going from 90% to exceeding the old speed. :)

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