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    Program starting tip for Ubuntu and Windows alike

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    A little Microsoft revelation today:

    I love hitting the GUI key and typing in the name of the program/app I want in Ubuntu Linux! It's much faster and more ergonomic than mousing around in menus (which admittedly makes it easier to find things for the times you don't already know what you're looking for).

    I didn't know before today that Win7 (and Win8 I hear) has exactly the same functionality! Press the Win key and type 'calc', 'windows', 'internet', 'wordpad' or what-have-you. That's just great. Like with its Ubuntu counterpart you only have to write enough of the name to identify it uniquely before pressing Enter, and it finds documents and programs alike.

    Of course, if your preferred choice is a bit down on the list and you don't feel like typing in more of its name, you can arrow down to it. Using the PKL Extend mode arrow keys that's handy too.

    I don't use Mac, but by pressing Apple+Space you supposedly bring up Spotlight for a similar functionality.

    WinXP doesn't have this included, but there's a little program named Launchy that you can download for free, apparently.

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    I use a little helper program called Synapse on Gnu/Linux/Debian/Xfce, and before that Alt+F2 (though this is a little crude.).  I'm running Windows 8 as well.  And I have Gnome 3 on my laptop, that I log into occasionally.  I try Ubuntu every now and then to see if Unity has been polished up a bit.

    I don't like the Windows 8 launcher.   I should replace it, whereas I didn't mind it in the start  menu.  I'm used to using it like that.   Before that, the Run dialogue sufficed (but again that's pretty crude). In Windows 8 I find switching interfaces really jarring, I hate it.

    Synapse pops up a window in the middle of the screen, that I find less intrusive.   It's pretty clever,  Some things are a little odd though.  I type 'Fil' for my file manager - but typing 'nautilus' does not work.  Whereas I type web, or epi (for epiphany) for the browser.  It favours previously selected apps, which is pretty good, like the recently used apps in the start menu.  I think that's similar in Gnome 3 too.

    It's a bit of a hidden feature that you can just type.  Make sure you tell Ubuntu users that, if they haven't discovered it.  I find the oversized icons and right hand side menus really weird and difficult compared with a succinct menu.  I like my Xfce Debian menu, that divides the menu up into vague categories: office, internet, multimedia.  That compliments Synapse pretty well.

    As you say, to use the launchers you need to already know what you have, and the name of them.  I like the idea of typing something generic and then narrowing your focus.  When searching in Windows 8, you end up with three areas to search, which doesn't feel quite right.  Well it doesn't with the keyboard at least.   I'm finding the UI very clumsy.   I can get by with it though, just like I can get by with Unity.  Though currently I prefer Xfce.

    I remember reading about Gnome 3 early on, and it was purported to do some very clever stuff.  Much of the Zeitgeist/launcher features embedded into the desktop, but a lot of that seemed to get lost.

    The last time I looked at OSX there was Quicksilver as an add on.

    One problem seems to be the indexing needed to get those tools to work.  Seems fine on my Debian box, but Ubuntu 12.10, seems to always be running some background indexer, that bring it to its knees.  I should also mention the issue of privacy.

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    Interestingly, to me it seems that Win8 and Unity have gone in quite similar directions: Large, touch-friendly elements and a launcher instead of the traditional menus.

    I've used Unity for a while now and I'm happy enough with it, but I'm still uncertain about how to browse installed programs easily? Instead of the nicely ordered menus I'm used to there's just a jumble of all installed programs now? So while launching a program by pressing GUI and typing its name is really nice and simple now, I miss a good way to browse for apps I've forgotten or didn't about...

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    Likewise @dreymar,  I never thought I was a huge fan of menus.  Until they were missing.  The large icon interface just doesn't add anything for me on a Desktop OS.

    Menus can give you a very succinct and fast overview of what's available on your system.  Deeply nested menus though aren't so good - you know like the old Accessories menu in Windows.   These and small target areas can be difficult and fiddly to select with a pointer.

    It's not immediately obvious to me which applications are installed under Ubuntu/Unity, Windows 8 and Gnome 3.  If you already know what you're looking for it is not so much a problem.

    I was trying to launch a program under Ubuntu/Unity and jumped through loads of hoops.  I ended up trying to install the application by using the software manager only to find that it was already installed. 

    There's quite a lot of mystery meat navigation going on with these new interfaces.  Some require some magical (and non obvious) gestures.  It's bad usability.

    As a proficient typist I don't mind launching apps by entering text.  But I'm sure it's a bind for others.   A little guidance can help such as filters and auto-suggest.  Having said that I'm terribly confused with Unity's Lenses, and I don't know if it's possible to list the traditional application menus alongside it's HUD.

    (Type 'how do i use w' into bing, and the first suggestion is 'how do i use Windows 8,' which suggests many people are struggling.  I got my hands finally on a tablet running the OS - and I watched five out of five people totally fail to operate it.  I struggled, and I already run Windows 8 on the desktop.)

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    Just to add that Vista also got the search function trough an update when Windows 7 was released. The start menu search was pretty much the only real change Microsoft added to their operating system other than changing the color from black to blue. The search however, even though useful, isn't as functional as the ubuntu one. You may find it is quite limited in its funcionality.

    As for Windows 8: Even though Windows 7 was a rebranded Vista at a time when hardware caught up to the requirements, they took of in a quite different direction in Windows 8. They are trying to discourage users from using browsers and instead have them use native apps. This has many advantages - primarly that developers not longer have to develop website that that work on the gazillion browser that display stuff in stupidly different manners. Furthermore developers no longer have to rely on addons for simple stuff like playing a video. It would allow for much more creative applications that could work very well together with the OS (like sharing an article on facebook with a simple click of a button). They also made everything big and basic on both their mobile and desktop platforms so that it is usable with touch (if you have ever used Windows 7 with touch you will know how hard it is to click that small X button).

    Even though the direction 8 is going is good it's still in the sad lands. It is a horrible combination of Metro and Desktop (you are constantly thrown from one to the other) and it is very mouse based if you don't have touch. On the other hand: I LOVE the HUD in ubuntu, it is a godsend that I have always dreamed for because it provides a feeling of you telling the computer what to do instead of being presented with a list of menus that you can click on. They also spent alot of time creating a usable and efficient search. All of this allows for very fast workflow with only the keyboard. Finally it has fully customizable shortcuts; Windows lacks here even though they are improving in Windows 8 by adding more functional shortcuts.

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    > I don't use Mac, but by pressing Apple+Space you supposedly bring up Spotlight for a similar functionality.

    That shortcut is the same as the default for switching the keyboard layout in OSX.  The same shortcut is now available in Windows 8.  You might want to remap Spotlight's shortcut.

    @vaskozl,  I guess that Microsoft want to take a cut in app sales (they want a piece of the Apple pie).  Taking apps out of the browser, and having them coded to their platform - helps them monetise on this - and keeps users confined to their walled garden.

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    I tend to navigate GUIs much better by sight, so something like "Start -> Programs -> Accessories - Calculator" or "Menu -> Internet -> Web Browsers -> Firefox" is exactly what I expect.  Whether the menu is in the top left or bottom left corner or even brought up by right-clicking the desktop (as in Blackbox, Openbox, Fluxbox, etc.) doesn't really matter much to me anymore.  I tend to be better off when using the command line or even a web search box, but when using a GUI I just can't get used to typing what I want to find/run.  It just feels... awkward to me.

    I agree that less mouse use would be more ergonomic though... I'm pretty sure now that most of my wrist and arm fatigue comes from that thing.  It's pretty much only the arm that I use my mouse with that is affected.  I intend on someday learning some tiling window manager like Awesome or scrotwm/spectrwm to use on laptops (touchpads suck, and so does the idea of carrying around and connecting/disconnecting a mouse all the time), so maybe I will get used to it eventually.

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    vaskozl said:

    As for Windows 8: Even though Windows 7 was a rebranded Vista at a time when hardware caught up to the requirements, they took of in a quite different direction in Windows 8. They are trying to discourage users from using browsers and instead have them use native apps. This has many advantages - primarly that developers not longer have to develop website that that work on the gazillion browser that display stuff in stupidly different manners.

    It also has one major disadvantage: They are effectively trying to block every single operating system that doesn't come out of Microsoft's headquarters.  The same kind of stuff that get them in trouble with antitrust law by abusing their monopoly in the 1990s.  As if "Secure Boot" being forced on ARM machines with no way to turn it off wasn't bad enough.

    The Web is universal, not run or owned by any single company, and can be accessed by any computer with an Internet connection and a web browser.  Windows/Metro "apps" are not.  You need to pay Microsoft (again...).  I'll take real web sites over "apps" any day.  And that's any "apps"--iOS, Android and Metro.

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