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    Should I go back to Qwerty? Hear me out please.

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    I work in the parts department for a truck and trailer repair shop. The mechanics are all flat rate so every minute they are not working on the trucks and instead getting parts they lose money. I have a computer terminal that I use all the time. I can do a keyword search and it will tell me if we have it or not also locations. Right now with me typing I have to look at the keyboard and do my two finger typing.

    If I go back to Qwerty they will get parts faster and I could help out more than one mechanic. Sometimes 3 or 4 mechanics come at the same time. By the way I'm not the only one that uses this computer. Everybody in the parts department uses this computer.

    What should I do?

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    In Windows, you can set hotkey for toggling between multiple layouts or a specific layout in Control Panel-Regional Settings-Languages - Hotkeys

    I use Ctrl-1 for Qwerty, Ctrl-2 for Colemak.

    Last edited by Tony_VN (23-Mar-2014 01:59:58)
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    Tony_VN said:

    In Windows, you can set hotkey for toggling between multiple layouts or a specific layout in Control Panel-Regional Settings-Languages - Hotkeys

    I use Ctrl-1 for Qwerty, Ctrl-2 for Colemak.

    I wish I could do that. But the administrator have a very restricted end user settings on the machine. We can't do anything to this computer.

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    Go back from what?  I assume you mean Colemak?  So you haven't got Colemak working on your work machine?  And as such having to use Qwerty is prompting you to struggle with a hunt and peck style, and by going back to Qwerty you'll get faster?

    How long have you been using Colemak and do you like it?

    That would really frustrate me too, I wish OS manufacturers would make it trivial for users to swap their keyboard layouts, sharing a PC is not uncommon.

    Under Linux you need root access to change the keyboard layout in the terminal.  Apparently it's because it could be a way to screw with another user that comes to the machine after you.  Fair enough, but why not make it really obvious which layout is selected, and make it really easy to swap...

    Anway moan aside, seems your best bet would be a hardware option.  I know some keyboard's have Dvorak as an option, independent of the OS.  There may be a Colemak board about?  Plugging in your own keyboard is probably less hassle than trying to seduce your network admin.

    One pro of Qwerty is that it's an established layout.  Straying from mainstream defaults can be problematic.  Shame though.  I chose Dvorak over Colemak simply because it was more widely available across platforms, but having said that you can still run into similar issues of having to have permission to swap layouts, and there is still some friction when sharing PCs.

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    If you just need to enter some search words in there, not long text (e-mail and such), Colemak won't gain you much.  Just use Qwerty and don't bother you coworkers with hotkeys to switch layouts.

    I think you can still be perfectly fine using Colemak elsewhere (at home and maybe some other places) and Qwerty for that specific/isolated task, they won't interfere much.  The search words you type are probably few and perhaps autocompleted, and you'll have specific muscle memory for them.

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    Even with restricted settings, you might be able to run PKL (see my sig link)? If so, that can be run by user, or even start up suspended and go back into suspension if left idle for a set time should you forget to suspend it yourself.

    A little QWERTY usage is unavoidable in this world. One nice thing about Colemak is that the differences are less than with many other layouts while still providing a very optimized layout. So moving back and forth is easier for me than it was with Dvorak.

    Last edited by DreymaR (24-Mar-2014 09:29:07)

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    Don't you know that there is a converter so that you can type in Colemak even when you can't install Colemak

    https://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Converter

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    Well, that converter won't help him type search terms into fields more efficiently.

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    pinkyache said:

    Under Linux you need root access to change the keyboard layout in the terminal.  Apparently it's because it could be a way to screw with another user that comes to the machine after you.  Fair enough, but why not make it really obvious which layout is selected, and make it really easy to swap...

    Anway moan aside, seems your best bet would be a hardware option.  I know some keyboard's have Dvorak as an option, independent of the OS.  There may be a Colemak board about?  Plugging in your own keyboard is probably less hassle than trying to seduce your network admin.

    Really? Maybe I just already have the permission, but on linux I've never had to use sudo to change my keyboard layout with xkb or xmodmap on any distro as any user or on any live cd I've tried. Is that actually the default behaviour to have it require super user permissions?

    As for hardware remapabble keyboards, there are quite a few options. Ignoring things you would have to actually assemble or buy off someone who has (like the gh60 and ergodox), there are some remappable keyboards you can buy without going through that trouble. The poker ii comes to mind as well as the truly ergonomic (not a fan). They're both pretty expensive.. might be better if you could find some cheap rubber dome reprogrammable keyboard like this maybe or some cheap pos keyboard.

    Last edited by angelic_sedition (24-Mar-2014 22:15:43)
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    I'm thinking console rather than X:

    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=903003

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    Stick to colemak, more ergonomic.

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