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    Annoying LE digraph

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    I began training myself on Colemak in late February. I'm feeling great about the home row keys, but I've also found the LE digraph particularly difficult for me. I have to reach out my index for the L, and at the same time my middle finger naturally moves upward onto U, then draw my hand back to hit the E. The whole process takes much time and effort and I think it's hardly better, if not worse, than a same-finger.

    Considering LE and EL are a very common digraphs in English, I'll probably stay away from Colemak until I get myself an contoured keyboard where L and E are't in conflict... or I'll try and create yet another layout. (Also, it seems many layouts out there do not consider Colemak L and E positions to be at odds. My middle fingers are longer than average, perhaps?)

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks in advance.

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    LEt me try a littLE test.

    My middLE finger stays at E key whiLE my index finger reach for L key. That twists my hand a bit, which is not good.

    Your way to move the hand is correct. If your finger is long, you can use a palm rest to change the distance from key to finger.

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    Are your middle fingers very long and/or your index fingers short?

    I just move the hand very slightly so the index finger can reach the L. My resting position is at the top of the middle row keys. The middle finger doesn't have to move, so it's ready to hit the E.

    Could be that your fingers lack independency. Short of learning to play the piano, I'd just suggest typing and enjoying yourself to see if it gets better. :)

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    Here are the metrics for my fingers:
    Middle finger: 11.8cm total, 8.7cm from bottom crease;
    Index finger: 10.9cm total, 7.9cm from bottom crease.
    How long are your fingers?
    Resting my middle finger on the upper half of the E key feels better indeed, but it's still a bit tricky for me. Maybe I'll get over the problem through more practice.

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    Mine are 8.5/7.7 cm from bottom crease, so about the same as yours it seems (it's a bit tricky to measure as it depends on angles).

    I practically push the middle fingers against the top row keys which lets them rest more relaxed, gives me a better feel of the home position and makes the F and U keys as accessible as the home row keys. In theory, I'd like my layout to be optimized for that observation and not give any penalty to those two keys. Then again, having two common letters on one finger will lead to more same-finger bigrams which I loathe – so it's probably okay.

    The downside to this technique is that I guess the C and comma positions are harder to reach; those keys feel fine to me though.

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    Then this layout may be interesting to you:

    ; C E W V Z F O L X
    I S U T D H N A R Y
     Q J G M K P B , .

    (Note: hit G with left index, as you would hit Colemak M with right index)

    According to the keyboard layout analyzer at patorjk.com, it has a lower same-finger ratio and slightly less hand alternation than Colemak. It does a good job at balancing hand usage despite having E ant T on the same hand. The corpus used in the test is not very large, though.
    OA is a fairly uncommon digraph with a frequency comparable to that of WR, SW, OG, PY, TC, LV... so it's perfectly safe to bind the letters together. The most frequent same-finger digraph here is probably RL (~0.1%).

    Nevertheless, I probably won't go through the pain of rebuilding my muscle memory again. Neither will you, I know :)
    However I'm not impressed with how Colemak deals with C as the Ctrl+ZXCV shortcuts don't matter much to me.

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    I'm not going to change again unless there's a compelling argument to do so, but thank you anyway. :)

    Out of interest: Where's that layout from? Who made it?

    Looks like it's trying too hard, moving everything around just like Dvorak did. Why swap the corner keys like Q;XZY around like that? Seems like a bad idea. And Y on a home row position? Hmmm... If it's algorithm-generated then a little penalty for moving keys from QWERTY should be introduced.

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    Actually it's my own work, designed by hand during boring classes :)

    The home row Y is indeed a problem. Here is an improved version:

    X C E W V Z F O Y J
    L S U T D H N A I R
     Q ; G M K P B , .

    And it resolves the R/L conflict too! See the test results at patorjk's layout analyzer, tested on the first 3 chapters of Pride and Prejudice:
    http://patorjk.com/keyboard-layout-anal … d/sX6XlM2g

    I have the 4 least frequent letters XJQZ moved to make 'qu', 'ize', 'dizzy', 'ject', 'jump' etc. more comfortable to type. I don't think it's too bad anyway.

    Perhaps I'll swap M with W to type the Unix command 'mv' easier.

    Finally... the most terrible thing about this layout is that it won't help me with papers in my native language - Chinese!

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    FYI, the layout you link to has shifted j,x,; from the one shown.

    First impression: looks very interesting!  I usually find those kinds of same-finger stats to be the result of some implementation detail, but I don't see any here.

    Feel free to come up alternating layout as well =D

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