Thanks for having your say and agreeing to step back.

Piease Mr. Dovol & Dreymar play nice. Different things work for different people. Neither of you are right. Neither are wrong.
but iet's keep it civil. Both of you have gotten a little hot and not phrased things in friendly ways.

So let's agree to disagree, and move on.

BTW - nothing is stopping either of you from editing your posts and taking out or rephrasing the inflammatory parts.

Fighting is counter-productive
Debating is Valuable to us all.

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Milestone- Today I hit 40WPM Average on typeracer! the reason why the 40wpm is a big milestone is that an article I mentioned previously said that the average business typist is at 38-40WPM. So I'm now a Solid Average!

The muscle memory is happening. My fingers are remembering words, contractions, the errors become less and less as time goes on. I wouldn't even want to try to type in Qwerty anymore because I've just about forgotten it. I even changed my Cel Phone to Colemak.

My bottom goal at the very beginning was 30WPM. So I consider myself to have succeeded at Colemak based on
my skill set.

This doesn't mean I'm stopping. My goal is now to reach 50WPM although at this point in time the max Typeracer Score ever is 47 WPM on an easy one.
So I'll shoot for 50 WPM but if I hit 45 WPM I'll be very happy.

It really feels good when your fingers  are skimming the keys and it's all going smoothly, those are the 44WPM and 47WPM scores.

Yes I know that you 60 WPM + typists are laughing at my score, but hey everyone is different and I am a mediocre, uncoordinated typist with short stubby
Fingers so 40 WPM is an accomplishment for me. It is now taking  me  hours and hours of practice for each wpm  that I move upward.

Part of the reason why I started this  thread was when I went to this Forum, I didn't see any Experience posts from Joe Average typists.  I wanted to relay my experience, to the average typists like me. At the beginning I didn't really know if at 56 Years Old with more than 43 years typing on Qwerty that I could learn a new Layout. Don't they say you can't teach a Old Dog new tricks?

I should mention that in my humble opinion Colemak is superior to Qwerty. Less stress on the fingers and hands. Even though with work combined with typing courses and typing tests i'm typing way more than ever. I don't feel any finger, joint or wrist pain. I did feel strain when I was typing withe Qwerty. Colemak is the better mousetrap of typing. I especially recommend it for those like me that are over 50 years old. You might head off Carpal or other repetitive stress injuries.

I know that there are other ways of learning than my methods of Cold Turkey and Intensive lessons (Senselang)  and practice (Typeracer) but I wanted to get up to speed fast. I'm just not the type who likes to prolong things.

BTW- I'm not gaming the Typeracer system. Whatever they give me I type, hard or easy doesn't matter.
I could be at a higher point if I shutdown typeracer whenever a very difficult challenge comes up. But then I wouldn't be
learning the tough stuff and I couldn't take pride in my achievement.!

Actually 10ff is harder than typeracer, because the words aren't aligned in proper sentences and therefore they don't make sense. Fast typists usually read many words ahead, and its easier to remember those words/phrases when they "make sense". When each word is randomized, like on 10ff, then you have to stop and think and 'reset' yourself after each word, slowing down your flow. Also, at higher speeds, muscle memory takes effect not only for letters or bigrams, but for phrases of words. For example, the most common two word phrases are "of the" and "in the" and so when those words are present in a sentence, you can blast through them very fast if you have the muscle memory ingrained

I go word by word, I even change the Typeracer to 1 line showing, so I don't get confused by too many words on the screen. Maybe that will be the next level to start thinking a word or even a few ahead.

I'm still too new. One thing I found is that when I slowed down my typing and concentrated on knowing before a type a short word, or kinda dividing a longer word, or if long and difficult typing letters one by one,  that my scores actually increase.

Well absolutely no progress so far this week. Even seem to have gone backwards. no more typeracer for me. It's hurting instead of helping.

Only one solution. Back to basics. Seems I may have reinforced too many errors.

I'm going to do every Senslang lesson over until speed and accuracy are excellent and then play a game of meteor.

Hopefully in two days I'll be back to jamming.

Problem seems to be that I'm interposing my letters. example switching y for w. or O for A.
Not all the time but enough to be messing with my typeracer scores.Alsothis type of error  at times pressing r (qwerty S) instead of S.
oh and I Have to fight not jumping to the second row to make a QWERTY T

It's frustating that even after a month my QWERTY memory still messes me up.
I wonder how long until QWERTY is totally forgotten.

Back to the basics.

The whole R/S thing drives me nuts.  Why not leave S in the original position and put R next to it instead?

You definitely are describing my week!

I went back to basics for two days and my  typeracer scores were really good today.

While this week I only increased 1 letter to 41 Max in typeracer, I was able to keep an average of
40wpm for more than an  hour. So my overall typing proficiency has improved.

Instead of an very occasional 45 or 46 wpm score I had a bunch of them.

I know, because they support a layout that changes too much they protect their investment by refusing to believe that anything less will do. ;-)

I'd like to hear which problems exactly those proponents feel we've inherited?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating though, and so far I haven't seen any indications that one is significantly better in the field – apart from some annyoing things about Dvorak (which will be somewhat about personal preferences). People who have tried both certainly don't prefer Dvorak over Colemak with a very few exceptions. But that may be mostly about history.

+1 on the 98%. Accuracy is everything. Currently working my way through the top 1000 in amphetype on 60wpm/98% - should have a good list of damaging words to work on by the end of it..

It may require an effort, but it builds character. ;-)

Grats on the progress!

Grats! Both on meaningful speed and meaningful steampunkery!

Indeed, when you find yourself repeating mistakes it's important that you don't persist banging your head against that wall as you'll only ingrain your error patterns!

Instead, take a deep breath and do something else.

On a side note: Did you know that you can also train typing by imagining that you're typing? :-) Only works after a certain level of mastery, but it's fascinating.