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    Open AI Chat's opinion and knowledge about Colemak

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    I asked the following question and got this response:

    Pretend that you are a human and was asked to use a particular keyboard layout to type a story about your life. The two keyboard layouts available are Dvorak and Colemak. You can pick only one. Which do you pick?

    As a language model, I am not a human and I don't have a life story. However, I can understand that you are asking me to make a choice between Dvorak and Colemak based on a hypothetical scenario.

    In this case, I would recommend the Colemak layout, as it is designed to be more efficient while still maintaining most of the familiar QWERTY layout. This can make it easier to adjust to, especially if you are already familiar with the QWERTY layout and want to maintain your muscle memory. Additionally, Colemak is also designed to reduce finger movement and increase typing speed and accuracy, which can make typing more comfortable and efficient.

    But ultimately, it's important to remember that everyone is different and what works for one person might not work for another. It's always a good idea to give it a try and see which layout works best for you, and to keep in mind that the best layout is the one that makes you feel comfortable and efficient when typing.

    Are you familiar with the modified versions of colemak?

    Yes, I am familiar with the concept of modified versions of Colemak. The Colemak layout is open-source, which means that anyone can make their own modifications to it. Some people make changes to the layout to better suit their typing habits, while others make changes to improve the layout's ergonomics or efficiency.

    Modified versions of Colemak may include changes such as moving or adding characters, or rearranging the placement of the keys. Some examples of modified Colemak layout are:

    Colemak mod-DH: This version adds the D and H keys to the home row and changes the position of some letters
    Colemak mod-DHm: This version is similar to Colemak mod-DH but it also adds the semicolon to the home row
    Colemak mod-EA: This version adds the E and A keys to the home row
    Colemak mod-F: This version adds the F key to the home row
    Keep in mind that, while modified versions of Colemak may offer some benefits, they may also make it more difficult to adjust to, especially if you are already familiar with the original Colemak layout and want to maintain your muscle memory.


    Freaken smart.

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    It's good at coming up with well written, on-topic responses, but there are lots of factual errors, esp in the modified versions bit.
    I haven't heard of mod-EA and mod-F, what are they?

    Last edited by stevep99 (14-Jan-2023 15:02:49)

    Using Colemak-DH with Seniply.

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    Haha, a mod that adds E and A to the home row of Colemak. Because that's not where they were already, lolol! Even QWERTY has A on the home row, what is this nonsense?

    Until it started talking about Colemak mods, the AI did pretty well I think.

    Last edited by DreymaR (16-Jan-2023 15:17:27)

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    Are you kidding me, absolutely useless.  So ill-informed.  Because Dvorak is obviously the layout you would pick, unless you were pushed up against the wall at gun point. ;)

    But, I am staggered at the clarity of response.  Not sure how the ai even knows about Colemak, has it slurped up all of Wikipedia?  Getting a nice surmise on a website is hard at the best of times, I need to actively tool this.

    Last edited by pinkyache (28-Jan-2023 12:53:31)

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    Nice spamming attempt, inserting a link into that quote!

    The whole OpenAI response is still mostly a load of big fat AI bollocks, on the whole. Those variants, all called "Mod-" something and half of them patently obscure and likely useless, omg.

    The part where people tailor their own without any idea what they're doing, much like what the LLM did here, is a big trap. Any well-optimized layout is really hard to actually improve on, and the beginner's mind sees very few of the pitfalls. I have lost count of the people who tried and then regretted it or at least came to their senses eventually. I'm one, myself.

    On a side note: Mod-DH is the name of SteveP's modding project. The resulting mod is the (Curl-)DH mod, and the resulting layout variant Colemak-DH. I wouldn't expect a chatbot to get that right, but it's nice if we users do!

    Last edited by DreymaR (17-Mar-2025 10:00:53)

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    Funny having a re-read of this.  I asked gpt 5, about my left wrist contortion regarding the left handed stagger to see what the bot would conjure up.  I then exclaimed something along the lines of why is this soo sucky?  gpt 5 then went on to tell me the old one about Sholes designing Qwerty to slow down the typist etc etc.  When I then corrected it with: that's debunked bollocks.  The AI did agree.  There's a problem with the damn thing being soo utterly agreeable at the moment.

    Recently AI seems to have excelled itself on some problem solving tasks.  So I am hoping that you might be able to put one to work on a difficult problem such as the keyboard layout or even completely redesigning input mechanisms.  There's lots of skill required in prompting workloads.  If you can prompt well for specific problems you can get it to do some good work for you.

    Permutation problems are just so wild, you need a quantum computer to tackle them.  AI seems to be doing much better at distribution problems these days.  I have had two of my jobs replaced by AI so far.  And yesterday I got it to script me something in minutes that would have taken me 1/2 a day in the past.  There's certainly an angle for them here.

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