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    Who switched back to Dvorak/Qwerty? (jammycakes, etc.)

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    This is a question for those who switched back to their original layout after giving Colemak a serious try.

    Did you regain/exceed your original QWERTY/DVORAK speed or are you slower now after trying Colemak and switching back?

    And I'm not talking 1 week of messing around, but a full concerted effort for at least a couple of months.

    Before I tried colemak, my dvorak speed was approx 90-95wpm. I tried colemak for 4 months and stalled at 80-85wpm. Additionaly, certain finger motions still felt unnatural.


    It's been 3 weeks since I switched back to dvorak and I'm already at approx. 65-70wpm.....a far cry from 90wpm with my progress is slowing, but I'm hoping all the typing practise from switching to colemak might have 'unlocked' something in my brain. lol.  I'm hoping to be back at my original speed in the next 2 months.

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    makdaddyrak said:

    This is a question for those who switched back to their original layout after giving Colemak a serious try.

    Did you regain/exceed your original QWERTY/DVORAK speed or are you slower now after trying Colemak and switching back?

    And I'm not talking 1 week of messing around, but a full concerted effort for at least a couple of months.

    I did not record my final QWERTY speed before switching to Colemak.  I typed nothing but Colemak for a little more than 12 months and reached a max speed of 72 wpm, with a normal speed of at least 10 less than that.

    I then switched back to QWERTY as I was working with other people a lot, and casually tried the speed test again (in QWERTY) after a month of QWERTY, with very little expectations.  I was surprised I could do 78 wpm, just goofing around.  I could have tried to gun for a higher speed, I guess -- but typing in QWERTY as a speed sport isn't really motivating enough for me to try to excel.

    My switch back to QWERTY was purely for social convenience.  I do intend to get back to Colemak.   I wish I could keep both skills simultaneously like some do, but it seems like layouts are jealous masters -- there is at least a week of misery when I switch between them.  However, it looks like once that week is past, I could regain the familiarity I had when I last used the layout.  I was pleasantly surprised that my QWERTY had *not* been crippled from 12 months of disuse.  I feel equally confident that I can regain Colemak when I switch back.

    It is also instructive that I didn't really have a good subjective sense of speed, whether on QWERTY or Colemak.   I can of course tell when I am substantially slower because I'm struggling to remember keys, but beyond a certain OK speed, I am not really exploiting that speed during business as usual, so 68 or 78 doesn't matter.  Thus, unless one is a copyist and productivity is strictly measured by the number of bytes transcribed, comfort easily trumps speed as an advantage to be aimed for.

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    I used the Hi-Games typing test to try and beat my QWERTY speed of 54 wpm.  I had beaten with a speed of 66 wpm on Colemak.  I have stuck to this layout for 7 months now and I will still use it from now on.

    Last edited by David O'C (29-Sep-2008 14:19:57)
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    I switched form hunt-pecking qwerty to Dvorak, than discovered Colemak. I newer managed before to sustain touch type on qwerty because of so much floating over the keyboard but I did it.

    It is suprising for me that I can now do touch typing on qwerty with speed matching other layouts and with comfort matching colemak. I think that the "easier" layouts helped me to learn the keys positions whilst letter layout is another matter.

    The point is that I am confused what to do now... I abadoned Dvorak, which feels substaitialy easier, because of socializing in the office - it is very hard to even hunt-peck on somone others qwerty keyboard.

    Switching between colemak-qwerty is a way easier but I feel only slight change with the two layouts - colemak might be very well optimized but with certain texts the qwerty might be even easier. Furthermore I think the comparision weighting on the main colemak page is not "real". Typing on qwerty I mostly rest my fingers on top row - I just move finger when it is necessary and stay with it till I need to move it somewhere else. The "meters trawelled' counter is certainly inaccurate for qwerty.

    In fact I think best and easiest optimization of qwerty would be just switching 'c-d, n-j' thats all ;-)

    I am very interested in stories of keeping up both qwerty and optimized layout at the same time - does anyone do it !!!

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    • From: Horsham, West Sussex, UK
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    Well I've been using Colemak at work on my ergonomic keyboard again for the past three months or so, and I think I'm going to stick with it.

    My home laptop is a different matter though. About three weeks or so ago I switched it back to Colemak again, but yet again it just didn't work out for me so I've just switched it back to qwerty. Colemak was initially more accurate and comfortable, but I found that in the long run it was putting too much of a strain on my wrists, especially my right one.

    I think it's certainly a good idea to try and be as ambikeyboardrous as possible. I often have to remote desktop into various servers, some of which are on the level of "Thou Shalt Not Install Third Party Software On This Machine Even If Thy Life Dependeth On It," and if you are exclusively on Colemak and have abandoned qwerty outright it can be pretty awkward.

    Your points about the home row, distance travelled, etc mirror my own sentiments exactly, as I've said in places such as this post here. The assumptions that they're based on are not grounded in reality. In particular, when you're typing qwerty, your fingers don't rest on the home row, and your (much stronger) wrists tend to absorb a lot of the extra movement, so you're simply not comparing apples with apples.

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