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    16-Nov-2009 10:44:53#1 dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Hi,

    It's the first time I post in this forum. I've been using colemak for about 6 months and I really love it. It's a real improvement compared to qwerty or azerty (the french keyboard, which is still worse than qwerty).

    I use colemak on windows at work and on linux at home.

    But what brings me here is that I'm having a little problem that appeared one week ago: the dead key for grave accent (AltGr+ R)just stopped working. All other dead keys like acute and circumflex still work. I don't have any clues about ther origin of the problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks!

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    16-Nov-2009 15:01:57#2 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Welcome!

    However, you didn't specify whether the problem occurs on Windows or on Linux, and what implementation you are using...

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    16-Nov-2009 16:18:36#3 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    ghen said:

    Welcome!

    Thanks :)

    ghen said:

    However, you didn't specify whether the problem occurs on Windows or on Linux, and what implementation you are using...

    The problem happens on windows. But I don't know what to answer for the implementation... I installed it using the installer... Hope it helps!

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    17-Nov-2009 10:21:49#4 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    That's odd, the Windows installer should be the most stable, as Colemak is implemented as a "native" keyboard layout there.

    Does the grave accent still work with other layouts, eg. US International?  Have you tried uninstalling & reinstalling Colemak?

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    17-Nov-2009 14:03:33#5 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    ghen said:

    That's odd, the Windows installer should be the most stable, as Colemak is implemented as a "native" keyboard layout there.

    Does the grave accent still work with other layouts, eg. US International?  Have you tried uninstalling & reinstalling Colemak?

    My "normal" keyboard is a french one. There, everything works ok. I just tried with a brazilian layout and I can use all accents, too.

    Recently, I installed the GTK libraries. Is there any chances that it might be capturing some keystrokes?

    I really don't know where to search...

    Thanks.

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    17-Nov-2009 14:13:57#6 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    outreal said:

    Recently, I installed the GTK libraries. Is there any chances that it might be capturing some keystrokes?

    Only within GTK applications, normally.

    Within GTK apps, does Ctrl+Alt+R yield the expected result?

    I really don't know where to search...

    As suggested, have you tried uninstalling and re-installing Colemak?

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    17-Nov-2009 17:10:37#7 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    ghen said:

    Within GTK apps, does Ctrl+Alt+R yield the expected result?

    No. Grave accents don't work anywhere. I tried uninstalling the GTK libraries and rebooting, to no avail.

    ghen said:

    As suggested, have you tried uninstalling and re-installing Colemak?

    Yes, I tried. To be on the safe side, I uninstalled Colemak, rebooted, installed it again. Still doesn't work.

    It's really weird. For instance, if I hit AltGr+X two times, I get "^^", which is normal. AltGr+R outputs absolutely nothing.

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    17-Nov-2009 21:34:03#8 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Is there any chance you have Ctrl-Alt-R mapped to a desktop or start menu shortcut?

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    18-Nov-2009 09:43:00#9 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    rajagra said:

    Is there any chance you have Ctrl-Alt-R mapped to a desktop or start menu shortcut?

    I don't know how to be sure about that. On a Linux system, I would find very easily where global shortcuts reside, on Windows, I don't even know where to look for them.

    All I can say is that nothing seems to happen when a hit AltGr+R, absolutely nothing. No menus, no state changes, no cpu extra load...

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    18-Nov-2009 10:04:51#10 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    This little program might help: https://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb … ic=18189.0
    (it won't tell you what a hotkey is bound to or by which application, but it will tell you whether it is "taken" or not)

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    18-Nov-2009 11:09:09#11 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    ghen said:

    This little program might help: https://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb … ic=18189.0
    (it won't tell you what a hotkey is bound to or by which application, but it will tell you whether it is "taken" or not)

    Thanks for this application. Selecting Alt+Ctrl ant then Alphabetical, it shows that two hotkeys are active, Alt+Ctrl+K and Alt+Ctrl+R. I know which app is using K, but I don't know whick one is using R.

    At least, that proves that it is definitely a hotkey issue. "All" i have to do know is to find which one is using it...

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    18-Nov-2009 12:07:11#12 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Solved!

    Thanks very much, ghen, for your help. After knowing that the hotkey was in you use, I started stopping, one by one, the applications running on my pc. And the winner was... RocketDock, which was recently updated. It registers the Ctrl+Alt+R shortcut but never uses it, AFAIK. Moreover, you can't change it in it's settings window. So I started looking in the registry and found the following key:
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RocketDock\HotKey-Toggle

    I changed it to "" (nothing) and now everything works again.

    Thanks a lot!

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    18-Nov-2009 13:07:23#13 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Great! :-)

    (it was actually rajagra who came up with the hotkey suggestion)

    Enjoy Colemak'ing!

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    18-Nov-2009 14:12:46#14 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working
    ghen said:

    Great! :-)

    (it was actually rajagra who came up with the hotkey suggestion)

    Hehe, sorry rajagra, I forgot you in the credits :) Thanks everybody!

    ghen said:

    Enjoy Colemak'ing!

    As I side note, I'd like to say that I really enjoy Colemak. It's sooooo much easier to touch type with this layout! I tried learning to touch type on brazilian and french keyboards, but they're horrible (specially AZERTY).

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    18-Nov-2009 14:37:54#15 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Yep, here in Belgium most people use AZERTY too.  Totally horrible!  I haven't used it for more than 10 years (always used QWERTY) and I'm still dazzled every time I see this layout on a public computer's keyboard. :-P

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    18-Nov-2009 15:02:25#16 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Ah, I totally agree with you! I am brazilian and I've been living in France for about ten years. I got used to the AZERTY (that's all I had :D) but it's simply awful, specially for a developer. For example, I never understood WHY they put all those important keys on the number row, accessible with AltGr ({ ,[, |, \, @, ], } ). It's simply unusable for programming.

    To start learning colemak, I bought a standard US keyboard and switched a few letters, and have been happy since then :)

    Nowadays, I really touch-type, that's really great. It's very comfortable, specially to type plain text, as I can look through the window while typing :)

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    20-Jul-2024 22:28:43#17 Re: dead key for grave accent stopped working

    Thank you guys for the idea ! I had the same problem, in my case was the NVIDIA overlay on my pc that took the key Ctrl + Alt + R. It was sufficient to delete that key binding or remap it to solve the issue!

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