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    Colemak + RSI in right index

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    Writing became painful to me, and so I've switched to an ergonomic keyboard and have decided to let go of QWERTY as well. I've found the Colemak layout; one thing which concerns me about its design is that my most significant RSI symptoms affect my right index, and it seems that the Colemak layout lends disproportional use to the index fingers (in addition to their having to deal with two vertical rows rather than one). Now, my guess is that my RSI symptoms for this finger are caused more by mouse-clicking than typing, but even though I no longer use the mouse to anywhere the extent I used to (and now try to left click using my major rather than index), the finger still hurts. Can anyone either alleviate this concern as it relates to Colemak, or recommend a layout which seems more apt to my needs?

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    According to Carpalx research

    http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?colemak

    Colemak uses the index, middle, ring and pinky fingers 41%, 26%, 17% and 16% of the time.

    Qwerty uses the index, middle, ring and pinky fingers 42%, 21%, 17% and 10% of the time.

    Dvorak uses the index, middle, ring and pinky fingers 34%, 26%, 21% and 18% of the time.

    So if your index fingers are hurt, you may try Dvorak instead of Colemak. But your pinkies will hurt instead.

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    Pretty sure that won't help, and changing layouts mid-RSI might even be painful for you as there is some tension right after you change. If your index fingers hurt, you need better ergonomy and workouts that strengthen them in an aerobic manner. See an ergophysiatherapist if it gets too bad.

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    Thank you both!

    I hadn't thought that it might be bad for me to change layouts mid-RSI. I suppose it'll be best for me to consult a specialist before changing layouts. It'll give me more time to search for the perfect layout. Another dilemma, though there's not much to do about this here, is that the perfect layout is tailored for a specific language. Though I write mainly in English, my first language is French and I don't want to be disincentivised from writing in French. This complicated the choice of layout; it would be possible to conduct research to find a layout which is well balanced in respect to certain language combinations, but this research doesn't seem to exist for now.

    This said: Cheers!

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    Colemak is not perfect, but if you continue typing in Qwerty or Azerty while waiting for a perfect layout, which never exists and never comes, you'll probably miss.

    You may be starved while waiting for a perfect beef steak. Grab a hamburger.

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    You may want to check out the Excel spreadsheet in this archive I made about Colemak versus languages. Basically, you can tell it how much you use the major European languages and it'll tell you a little about how good Colemak is for this language combo (not giving you any info on important stuff like digraphs though!).

    There was a whole topic about it (and other things) by user Checkit - I think it may be in the Contributions forum? Anyway, my conclusion is that Colemak works surprisingly well in most combinations of European languages at least (you have to tweak the AltGr mappings for languages that use special glyphs).

    Your desired proper research will be a long long time in the waiting it seems! No time to hang around waiting for the moon to come down to you.

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    This book may be helpful to you:

    Complete Guide to Repetitive Strain Injury, Emil Pascarelli, PhD
    http://www.mediafire.com/?kgnxwv8kpnghg48

    Some excerpts

    Computer keyboards

    No other piece of computer equipment has had more design research and gone through more style changes than the computer keyboard. Research has focused on key placement, size, adjustability, touch, key pressure, and technical design. Still, the keyboard that suits everyone has not yet appeared.

    What kind of keyboard should you buy? Choosing a keyboard can be confusing, as there are so many available at a wide range of prices. When you buy a new computer, it comes with a standard keyboard, and if it is not comfortable or is causing you pain, you will want to get one that suits your needs better. As mentioned in chapter 2, the elbow carrying angle, which varies from person to person, will affect the way you place your handsas you hit the keys. The greater your carrying angle, the greater the likelihood that you will need a split keyboard. In any case, I believe a split keyboard is generally a good choice for everyone.

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    Virtually all keyboards now on the market have the cheaper-to-manufacture membrane cushioning for keys, rather than the more desirable individual spring loading for each key, which is best for good touch feedback. Basically, three types of keyboards are available: traditional, fixed split, and adjustable split.

    The traditional keyboard is supplied with most home computers and is usually what you will find at your workstation. Some are available with a number pad on the right side, while others are alphanumeric or have a separate number keyboard.

    The fixed split keyboard has a split at an angle of about twenty-four degrees and a slight downward taper on each end, which takes the hand slightly out of the palms-down position. The number pad, on the right side, is flat. The palm apron along the front edge of these keyboards is not ergonomically sound—don’t rely on it to support your palms. Small legs that prop up the far end of the keyboard should not be used, since they encourage extending your wrist, as when pushing a door open, a harmful posture. If you purchase this type of keyboard, make sure you have the right size of pullout tray.

    There are several varieties of adjustable keyboards. These keyboards can be placed in the traditional position, angled, and even tented so the hands are no longer in the palms-down position but are held somewhere between palms up and palms down.

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    According to Dr. Alan Hedge, an ergonomics researcher at Cornell University, keying with the palms in a vertical position, as in playing an accordion, allows the forearm tendons, which move the fingers, to work more easily. Since you cannot see the keys in this position, it is difficult or impossible for a nontouch typist to use one, so vertical mirrors are installed on each side.

    Many of the people who feel uncomfortable in the palms-down position at the keyboard have tight forearm pronator and supinator muscles, which need to be stretched. By placing the adjustable keyboard at a tented angle of approximately thirty degrees they might feel more comfortable during their retraining. See chapter 6 for details on exercises.

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    Touch and Tactile Feedback

    Dr. David Rempel at UCLA and Dr. Thomas Armstrong at the University of Michigan have done extensive research on the amount of work spent in activating keys. Basically, this research has shown that most of us press the keys with far greater force than we need to. Most keyboards no longer have spring-loaded keys, which are more costly to manufacture. Now a plastic or rubber membrane cushions the keys, so that the sense of contact is lost, as is the “click” that told you that you made contact. The effort required to be sure you’ve struck the key increases your workload and potential for injury.

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    Wrist Rests
    The use of wrist rests is controversial. I prefer to call them wrist guides and ask my patients to use them only as guides, because resting the forearms on a wrist support while keying can be harmful for several reasons. First, they take the upper arms out of the process of keying, so you are overloading the forearm and hand muscles and increasing your chances of injury.

    Moreover, the wrist support tends to encourage potentially harmful positioning, particularly wrist extension (bending your wrist up, as in pushing a door open). With the wrist fixed on the wrist rest, there is a tendency to use a windshield-wiperlike wrist motion, which is extra work and harmful. Finally, the wrist rest places pressure over the carpal tunnel area, which is not a good idea.

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    I much prefer mechanical keyboards and those aren't generally available in split formats. So I use my own devises to move the hand positions so they're better.

    But if your index fingers are getting the strain a wide keyboard ergonomic mod probably isn't the thing for you (as the Wide mod moves symbol keys to the middle of the board, taking them off the pinkies but giving the right-hand index finger slightly more to do).  :)

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