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    I've been touch typing for over 40 years.  For the last 7 I have been doing strictly transcription so now I type for hours on end and my body is starting to feel it. 

    Last week I started looking for a more ergonomic solution and started playing around with the Dvorak keyboard and while I was searching for something I came across this site.  Wow, it never occurred to me that there was anything else out there.  I started the lessons and after lesson 3 thought eh, the best way to learn was to just start typing.

    It's starting to make some sense but is it really possible (and worth it) to switch at this point?  And if I did, would it increase my speed of about 70 wpm (transcription slows you down)?

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    Colemak is more ergonomic than Qwerty but NOT faster. Before switching, my Qwerty speed is 60wpm, after switching to Colemak, 63wpm. So you can surpass your Qwerty speed, but not much.

    The good thing is that the tingling sensation of your wrists and your fingers goes away even after long time of typing. Your typing is calmer, your fingers stay in home row most of the time.

    Check these videos, you can see how less the fingers move in Colemak
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnFqyas6vo (speed 69wpm)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE_9dYeKrng (speed 58wpm)

    If you want to take care of your hands and your wrists and still type regularly it is very good to switch, no matter how old you are.

    Switch progress takes time, about a month or two, so be prepared.

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    I started out almost at your age, and I've loved it. As Tony says, you won't get much faster from the layout change alone - that's for your generic typing skills to achieve I think. But Colemak has inspired me to train typing so I'm much better with Colemak now than I ever was with QWERTY or Dvorak. It's that nice! :)

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    Thanks for the responses.  I type about 80 wpm copy typing and probably about 70 doing transcription although I've never been tested.  Even transcription job sites only test your speed from online sites as far as I know.  I would like to relieve some of the neck/shoulder problems I have caused with Qwerty.

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    For the most part, I think that neck/shoulder problems arise from posture and work habits rather than layout-related issues. It's true that wrist tension could lead to tension in other areas but I don't think it's a major factor.

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    Pandora said:

    Thanks for the responses.  I type about 80 wpm copy typing and probably about 70 doing transcription although I've never been tested.  Even transcription job sites only test your speed from online sites as far as I know.  I would like to relieve some of the neck/shoulder problems I have caused with Qwerty.

    You should create a hi-games.net account and test your current Qwerty speed. With the replay feature you can see that how much finger travel you can save if you would switch to Colemak.

    Neck/shoulder problems? As Dreymar said, you may want to check that you sit in proper posture.

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    Arrrgh!!

    I think a layout can effect your neck and shoulders.  Surely that is in part why @dreymar uses the wide angle mod?  Even slight bends in the wrists can work their way up the arms.  I'm particularly sensitive to this.

    I only use my right thumb to hit space, if I was to use my left, it would lock my left hand up ever so slightly and give me problems.

    Before I learnt how to touch type (a year ago) I never experienced pains in the hands, fingers or wrists (but then again I probably didn't type as much).  I had pain back then in my neck and shoulder and hoped that touch typing with a new layout could help.  I still have problems - but I think they are diminishing slightly.  What I never realised was how subtle some of this is.  Putting weight down the arms or even into the fingers for more than an instantaneous moment can really have an effect on me.

    I noticed myself leaning into a friends trackball yesterday - the trackball encouraged me for some reason to put weight on it.  Which in turn encourages me to slouch ever so slightly.

    I believe that good posture is a fine art, and that it's easy to overlook.

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    I traded my big supposedly ergonomic keyboard in for a smaller curved gaming keyboard because the reach to my mouse was too far and was causing problems.  I bought a brand new chair last year as well.  I'm up to about 20 wpm with Colemak after a few nights of playing around with it (about 10 hours maybe) and last night I began to notice a few definite advantages to the keyboard layout so I'll keep plugging away.  I'm still at the point where I'm able to switch back and forth between Qwerty and Colemak so I can still work as well. I'm also looking at the advantages of a two-piece keyboard because I've noticed that I sit with my board turned with the right side higher than the other.   Don't know why, but I do.  So, yeah, there are definitely posture problems at work there, too.

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    @pandora - you weren't tempted to just use the mouse with the left?  Doesn't take long to get used to - then you can sit the keyboard with the B in line with your naval.

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    Pandora,

    Part of the process of transcribing at high speed is the correct use of software for "abbreviated typing", as well as choosing a suitable keyboard.

    This video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYJtF1I3PRs

    shows me transcribing audio using a Maltron keyboard, with WordPerfect based shorthand.  I've got some 7000 abbreviations which I use.  Although I've done this slowly for display purposes, it's not difficult to achieve 150 wpm plus.  (However, this video wasn't done to show how quickly I can type, but rather how little effort is required.)

    There's a link in the video to my blog where I explain how to create your own shorthand.

    Re pinkyache's suggestion of using the mouse left handed, that's exactly what I did.  However, I bought a Logitech marble trackball, which is equally useful for left or right hand.  It can be configured very quickly in the Windows Control Panel (Mouse).

    https://www.logitech.com/en-gb/mice-poi … vices/4786

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    Hope that helps,

    Joe

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    @Pinkyache: Yes, you got me!  :D

    Indeed I believe that such more large-scale ergonomic measures as wrist angle and separation can play in on neck/shoulder problems. But then again, those modifications really are about posture so we're both right.  :)

    It's a bit about how far you're willing to go to make things better, and how far from the mainstream you can live. I believe without having tried one that the DataHand looks like the best "keyboard" intuitively, but many aren't willing to spend the money and effort required.

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    Funny thing, I am actually left-handed, but I like to use a right-hand mouse.  Don't know why; it's just one of those things.  I have created my own shorthand that I use just with my autocorrect feature and it has increased my speed substantially, but I'm always looking for ways to improve.  For instance, the word shorthand would be shthd or something like that.  "Possibility" is psbty.  I have probably 200 words right now and I'm always adding more.

    I did look at the DataHand and it was very expensive, but the way I sit I could use a two-piece keyboard very comfortably.  Maybe my right arm is longer or something. I even tried fastening my keyboard down so I would be forced to learn to use it properly.

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    I too am left-handed but I wouldn't restring my guitar, move my mouse or have a special pair of scissors! No need I feel; many left-handers seem more ambidextrous than most right-handers anyway.

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