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    Hand Positioning Concerns

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    Hi; I'm considering converting to Colemak from QWERTY, and I have three reasons for doing so:
    1) Potential to increase my typing speed. I acknowledge that not many people progress past their QWERTY speeds, but I also believe that there is a chance that one could.
    2) Comfort. I needn't elaborate on this one.
    3) Burdening of anyone else who uses my computer(s). Often when people want to use my laptop, my only reason to not let them is that I don't want them to use my laptop. This causes arguments. Having the Colemak layout would make these encounters more interesting.

    Now: My problem. On my QWERTY layout, I don't put my fingers on the ASDF and JKL; keys. If I try to type this way, then I find my fingers feel too close together and I cannot use some fingers to hit the hey I use them for, because their path is blocked.

    I position my right hand such that my right little finger is pretty much always on or above the right shift key.  I find that my right index finger tends to rest and idle half way between the L and K keys. Because my right hand is shifted over this much, everything to the left of the U, H and N keys, I use my left hand for (not inclusive of U, H and N).

    Because the comfort and speed benefits of Colemak derive from the lesser finger travel, I was wondering if my misplaced hand might cause the benefits to be void. I was wondering if anyone else came from a scenario like this when converting.

    And finally, I plead that you don't ask me to learn how to position my hands above the keys you "should". I tried typing like this in QWERTY, and couldn't. If I swapped to Colemak, then not only would I need to learn a new layout, but a new technique as well. If you're wondering, I currently touch type at 70-80 WPM, so this isn't a major handicap.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I think you should type the way you feel most comfortable. That is, of course, after you've tried other techniques (mainly the classic one) and gave them a chance and know how they feel for you.
    I'm not completely sure what your problem with blocking fingers is, as you say, so I can't tell you how it will feel with Colemak. A pal here in the forum, called DreymaR, has designed the so-called wide mod, which you might find better suiting your needs better. It takes keys from the far right side (next to the Enter) and puts them in the middle of the keyboard. This way you can move your right hand slightly to the right, while keeping the same keys under the fingers. Looks like this:
    CmkIBM-ISO60d-Wide_FengShuiFinger.png
    The lower left row (ZXCVB) has been moved one key to the left, and the finger association has been kept, thus changing the typing technique to one, that puts less tension on your wrist due to not having to twist it as much. That is, you can say, another modification, not directly connected to the previous.
    I don't know if that affects what you mean by finger blocking but honestly, I see no problem with blocking my fingers with Colemak. It is very comfortable compared to the classic touch typing on Qwerty. Could you give an example of your problem with "classic" typing?

    PS: Your third reason for changing is a good one :D I've experienced that with many people and they all get frustrated after sitting on my laptop, and never try that again.

    Last edited by pafkata90 (24-Dec-2011 14:03:19)
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    1. Speed: No improvements or very little. My speed increase is 4-6wpm.

    2. Comfort: Assured. Your fingers move less.

    3. Hand positions:
    You can type with whatever hand positioning pattern.
    You just have to finish all Colemak lessons in TypeFaster.
    If you can type all keys, that's fine. As long as you can type whatever is on screen, TypeFaster doesn't care to know how you type them.
    There is no fixed hand positions and no one try to force you to use the standard positions.
    You choose your style.

    Last edited by Tony_VN (24-Dec-2011 14:17:30)
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    Thanks for everyone's replies. The reason this concerned me was because this positioning requires me to stretch towards keys in the middle of the keyboard, while they should be easily obtainable. Since Colemak would have put frequently used keys here, I was interested to know the effect.

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    The need to hit the far keys is much reduced compared to Qwerty, fact. But there shouldn't be any problem to just move your whole palm to hit them comfortably, like I assume you've been doing till now. I can't see another way of using the keys far from the hand's "home" position (wherever it is) :)

    Last edited by pafkata90 (25-Dec-2011 02:23:23)
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    @pafkata: Thanks for the plug, pal! :) Nowadays, I've gone back from the '1a' Wide mod you show (moving the outermost key of each row in to the middle) to the '35' one (moving the brackets to the middle because that looks better and feels more logical, and then the slash '/' key to the old right-bracket position). Trying out everything properly, that's me...

    Regarding finger positions: I do keep the middle fingers at the upper edge of the key cap, not in the middle of it. That way I avoid a crowded feeling I believe, and also make it slightly easier to hit the upper-row keys for the middle fingers. The ring fingers are also slightly above the key middle. I just follow the most natural hand position.

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    Just by the way, I believe this was officially the 1000th topic on the forum. Congrats :P

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