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    E and I keys

    • Started by M1n1f1g
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    After switching from QWERTY to Colemak a few months ago, I have found that I often mix up letters E and I. I didn't have much experience of QWERTY touch typing, although I learnt some basics using it. I haven't noticed if I make one mistake more than the other. I was thinking whether it would be better to have I and R swapped, and possibly some other keys to balance out the hands (A and O, maybe). Unfortunately, I can't make arbitrary keyboard layouts on my Chromebook, so I'm just theorising. Anyway, does anyone else (originally spelt "ilse") have this problem?

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    • From: Viken, Norway
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    Some may have that problem, yes. It's because the right-hand middle finger is used to typing the 'I' from QWERTY. However, the 'E' is also typed by middle fingers both in QWERTY and in Colemak and for a good reason: Since it's the most commonly typed letter it needs to be on a strong finger and not on an index finger (because these already cater to a bunch of other keys so you don't want to overwork them plus it'd lead to a bad case of same-finger digraph problems).

    Shai first tried keeping the letter 'E' on the left hand in his now deprecated ASETION layout, but it didn't work well. So he improved it further, and Colemak was born.

    You might want to do some exercises with lots of E and I in them to train up your motor memory if this bothers you. Or just let it be, relax and be happy and it'll get better. ;)

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    • From: Sofia, Bulgaria
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    Yes, who doesn't mix letters in the beginning? ;)
    PS: Just saw that you said "a few months ago". So it isn't exactly the beginning, but whatever the case, you just aren't yet used to their position. Just do some typing drills for these keys and it'll be fine. If you're serious with the typing exercises, you'll memorize them in no time.

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    When I say "a few months", I only mean about 2 months. Well, actually only a month on my primary computer. Sorry, time seems to become distorted when I take up new interests! I suppose I am still early on in my learning. Still, I think I have almost reached QWERTY speeds, although they were not too good to start with.

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    I also found that EIO, RS, DG and PG is most mixed at the beginning. More drills needed.

    If this happens often, your fingers have created wrong typing patterns. Take note of this and be conscious and slow down whenever you type that mistaken letter.

    Last edited by Tony_VN (03-Jan-2012 07:46:52)
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    Thanks for that. I have had a few problems with R and S, but generally only when typing "as". That's probably fairly common, isn't it?

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    Yes, your Qwerty muscle memory needs some time to change. As long as you try to keep the error level down, it'll come and you'll start typing with less effort and more error-free.

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    • From: Aalborg, Denmark
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    I have experienced that the R-S problems was the hardest to re-learn and also that it somehow needs to be relearned in various states of mind. I still make the error when typing in an agitated state :-)

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