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    Comparison between Colemak and 'Pratt' (if it exists) Layouts

    • Started by HeavenOfSevens
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    I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but it seemed the best place, considering the topic isn't uniquely about Colemak.

    A few months ago, I discovered the array of alternatives to QWERTY that were available, and eventually concluded that Colemak would be good to learn. However, at the time, I was using my PC for exam-related stuff, so decided that wasn't the best time to take a severe hit in my typing speed whilst I learned the new layout.

    Now, I've arrived at a point where I'm comfortable doing this, and was just about to get started when I saw on Wikipedia's "Keyboard layout" article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layouts) that there was another, new (as of "mid-2012") keyboard layout - the Pratt keyboard layout - which claimed to beat Colemak. My curiosity piqued, I decided to research this layout a bit more, but was unable to find any other reference on the Internet to it, other than this Wikipedia article!

    So, I have come here to ask (and I appreciate that this will be a biased forum, but it's the best I can do :) ):
    1) Does the Pratt layout really exist as anything beyond a paragraph on Wikipedia?
    If so, does it have a website?
    2) Is it really any better than Colemak?

    Thank you in advance.

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    There is no best layout. With every large source of text we will have a specific keyboard layout to type most efficiently.

    Colemak is just one of several millions of keyboard layout that fits the bill.

    For fixed ZXCV and perhaps fixed QWA position, Colemak is still one of a few thousands keyboard layouts available.

    All of them are better than Qwerty and have less than 1% difference in typing efficiency between them.

    To switch between them require a lot of relearning though, so people tend to stick to just one of them (here, Colemak) and forget about others.

    Last edited by Tony_VN (30-Jul-2012 13:43:58)
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    Thank you for your reply. I suppose, then, that for all of it's other features (like special characters) I'll probably go with Colemak. I just found it peculiar that a layout is popular enough to survive as a paragraph on Wikipedia without being deleted, yet doesn't seem to have a website (at least not one I can find...).

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    Yes, that is interesting. There are so many Yet Another Keyboard Layout proposals, and why this YAKL made it past the Sentinels of Wikipedia when Colemak had such a hard time of it is a mystery.

    The YAKL come and go; at least this one has stood the test of time since 2006 now and seems to gain in popularity rather than end up impossible to find...  ;)

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    @HeavenOfSevens, well the Pratt layout doesn't look too bad.  Might suit the bottom row haters out there.  I'd never heard of it.  Might be more popular if it were called the Bud, or the Astr(a)l Ho!  Sounds like something that excites/exited the heavens.

    If I were you I'd have a good look about and see what's on offer.  And see if any of the layouts are backed up by any 'good science.'  A layout is more than just a heat map.  They're quite complex beasts.  You might find a layout that suits your personal style.  Perhaps you are a lefty?  An alternator?  Or a one hander?  Or even a Qwerty lover.

    Then there are the practicalities associated with using a different layout.  I was going to pick Colemak, when learning to touch type.   But in the ended settled for Dvorak - as it had 'pretty good' support across multiple operating systems.  I personally needed the flexibility.  Having said that, operating systems generally suck when it comes to alternative layout support, but it's certainly getting better.  Layouts in my eyes should be much more portable, but I digress.

    You'll find a lot of propenents of Colemak here (obviously.)  Take a quick glance at the FAQ and see if it stirs the Colemak  in you.  To me it's hardly the most compelling tome (it's mostly guff.)  There's not enough published about the rational behind the creation of the layout.  And I'm not saying that to troll this forum or as a champion of Dvorak.   Do look elsewhere.  Someone might persuade you to adopt another 'YAKL.'

    If you already touch type Qwerty well, then there are alternative layouts that only swap a few of the keys.  That might be worth a look at.  Or perhaps you might want to try something more radical.  Being astandard though might lead you into perilous waters...

    Last edited by pinkyache (30-Jul-2012 17:11:26)

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    @pinkyache: I do already touch-type QWERTY quite well, and that was one of the issues I thought about, but I had a look at Dvorak, Colemak and a few other layouts, just solely on the basis of their scores in online comparisons. I feel this is the most I can go on, as I've no idea whether I prefer alternation or 'combos' or whatever, and Colemak seemed to be consistently the best.

    Logically, I can see sense in Tony_VN's point: there's very little difference between them, so I think I'll probably have a go at Colemak and see how I do... Thank you all for your assistance.

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    Pratt keyboard layout seems to be just a practical joke, and it will be deleted from Wikipedia shortly.

    Nice done Pratt.

    Last edited by Tony_VN (30-Jul-2012 17:46:19)
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    If that's true, what a ... prat...

    But it seems real enough? Just not very well supported?

    Wikipedia said:

    In 1865, John Pratt, of Centre, Alabama, built a machine called the Pterotype which appeared in an 1867 Scientific American article[5] and inspired other inventors.

        Pterotype.jpg

    I was wringing my brain trying to remember where I'd seen that name. Pratt was one of the inventors of the typewriter! :)

    Last edited by DreymaR (30-Jul-2012 17:57:56)

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    @HeavenOfSevens

    Yes, you can stop your quest for 100% perfection of keyboard layouts, and land with 99% answers such as Colemak, Dvorak, Arensito, Workman or several Carpalx layouts.

    Good luck with your switching time if you decide to go for it.

    It's surely tough as hell at first, but it will gradually become better. In the fourth weeks onward you will feel that comfort feeling that Colemak offers.

    Make sure you have two weeks with no serious typing work, so switching to Colemak does not affect your credibility during that time.

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    ...or try a Tarmak layout if you want to split the learning into smaller chunks. :)

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    @dreymar, while looking at the typewriter entry on Wikipedia, I was more surprised to see the weird looking Hansen Wrting Ball, with what's described as an optimised layout!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansen_Writing_Ball

    The writing ball

    The Writing Ball is a thing just like me: of iron
    And yet easy to twist, especially on journeys.
    Patience and tact one must richly possess
    And fine little fingers to use us.
    --Nietzsche

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    Heh, you noticed that one too! :)

    It's fascinating indeed, both because of Nietzsche, its Danish origins (I'm a Scandinavian too you know), the sky-high Steampunk factor and what does indeed seem like an early ergonomic solution. Apparently, the inability to see what you were writing was part of its downfall.

    Somehow, it reminds me of the Datahand although that's way more modern of course:

        180px-DataHand_Professional_II_Keyboard-Right.jpg

    Last edited by DreymaR (31-Jul-2012 14:07:21)

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    The Pratt entry is a bad joke that should be removed before someone gets the wrong idea and actually tries to type with it. It has to be. I can't see any reasonably intelligent human honestly suggesting that O, U, D and H should all on the same finger. Not to mention W and A both on the left pinkie. (That might not seem important, but 'was' is the eighth most frequently used word in English.)

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    It would appear, then, that I am the fool that thought it was a real layout! Oh dear...

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