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    I'm finding it hard to find information about correct finger and hand technique on the web (I have tried.)

    This is a touch typing question rather than a Colemak question.  I assume there are experienced touch typists here, that may be able to offer help.

    As I am self taught (6 months with Dvorak touch typing), I'm not sure:

    * whether the keyboard should be positively or negatively tilted
    * how near my body should be to the keyboard
    * whether I should be hitting keys with the tips or the underside of my fingers
    * what the height of the keyboard should be - from the ground or better still relative to elbows
    * if my forearms should have a positive incline or a negative incline

    Nothing I have tried so far feels totally comfortable.  Perhaps it is part of the teething process.

    Have you jostled your environment about until you reached a sweet spot?

    I am feeling a lot of discomfort typing (specifically neck and shoulder).  I experienced pain before I learnt to touch type, but it has gotten worse.

    I have followed garnered advice from the web about correct posture: keep feet flat, sit upright, distance the screen at arms' length, place monitor directly ahead with eyes aligned with it's top, keep thighs almost parallel with floor, keep wrists straight, elbows close to body etc.

    I've tried various things such as sitting on an exercise ball, using a stool, standing, abandoning the mouse and a few other things out of desperation.

    What I am missing from following on-line tutorials is some precious human coaching.

    Any advice/tips appreciated.

    Last edited by pinkyache (19-Oct-2010 12:21:52)

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    The most comfortable typing improvements I've done in my experience, are:
    - Colemak (well, duh)!
    - Mods that promote straight wrists, particularly for the bottom left-hand row
    - Using the Extend mode of Portable Keyboard Layout, particularly as a navigation/edit block (UNEI arrows, :O Del/Back etc)

    I've heard different answers to some of your questions and I'm not sure which are the best answers. But I do think that
    - The keyboard should not be angled too steeply toward you. This would strain the wrists upwards.
    - If your board is too close to the body, you may tense up your shoulders. Some may handle it just fine, some may get trouble.
    - I hit keys with the pad of the finger, but I don't think it matters much. My fingers are naturally curved, just like when playing the piano.

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    Against neck and shoulder pain in general, you should see a good ergophysiotherapist I think. You'll get individually suited exercises that help you relieve your tensions and build strength and circulation in the affected areas. You seem to understand that the problems aren't situated in one spot or two but involve everything from the large muscles down to the smaller ones.

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    This is perhaps a stupid question (as many typists neglect this step anyway) but have you tried using a daily and pretyping warm-up exercise regimen? Neck rotations, shoulder rolls, shrugs, backwards arm circles, wrist rolls and the like? If you had these pains even before you started typing... that sounds kind of serious. I'm with DreymaR on this one, you should probably see a good erotic-psycho-therapist... whatever that is. Actually, I'd probably check a good chiropractor first, but yeah, professional medical advice = good idea. If nothing else it gives you a paper trail when you decide to sue.

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    Chiropractism won't usually be all that good against this kind of problem. Nor will eroticism, which, admittedly, has other possible benefits.  :)

    I totally agree on the warm-up regimen, but I never use it specifically before typing (because I'm not that organized I guess). I use it whenever I have a chance, instead. Roll joints, do a few "fake tai chi" or even "fake wushu" ('kungfu' for the uninitiated) moves, that kind of thing. It feels great.

    Last edited by DreymaR (29-Oct-2010 08:06:58)

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    HAHAHAHA @ "Nor will eroticism.."

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    You've detected that I am an Internet addict that spends way too much time at the computer, not enough time exercising or experiencing eroticism.

    Assuming that I'm not the only one who spends 7 hours at the computer a day, I'd have thought I wouldn't be alone.

    I have seen a physiotherapist and I'm much better than I was, I'm slowly beating it - used to be on pain killers every day, and for a few months I could do nothing but lie down.  It wasn't nice not being able to work in the field I was accustomed to.

    The one thing that thrashed me more than anything was using a laptop - be warned it creeps up on you!  I finally picked up touch typing hoping that it would stop me drooping my head - 10 minutes on a laptop and the pain comes back fast and strong.

    Last edited by pinkyache (05-Jul-2013 10:32:00)

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    Oh I'm self employed so I won't be suing myself any time soon.  I think it's a bit unfair lumping the blame on an employer for something like using a computer - which is pretty alien to the human body.  In the UK computers have crept into a lot of desk jobs - somethings gotta change!

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    For laptops, I do recommend the Wide Angle mod (found elsewhere under the admittedly hopeless name WideISO1a1b)! Saves your left-hand wrist from contortions, lessens right-hand pinky leaps and gives your shoulders just a little more room. All in all, a winner I think and a mod I use daily.

    As with Colemak itself, sometimes it gets annoying to sit down at someone else's computer for a few seconds. And it's marginally silly to incur a symbol key in the middle of the number stretch. But all in all, it's not hard to learn and use I think, and it feels really comfortable.

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