Has anyone played with this?
This makes a lot more sense to me than 'Vanilla' DH, at least on a matrix keyboard: B is in a better position than V, and it means there are fewer changes from vanilla colemak.
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Colemak-DH + b/v swap
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I don't see how moving V up instead of B consitutes fewer changes? One reason it hasn't been done is that leaving V alone conserves the Ctrl+V shortcut. From a pure typing efficiency standpoint I don't think it matters a lot.
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fewer changes _from_ vanilla colemak. Instead of moving D to V, B to G, V to B and G to D, you just do V to G, G to D, and D to V.
You lose Ctrl-V but you regain Ctrl-b
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It depends what you mean by "change". A matrix board has already has the bottom row keys in different positions from a traditional board, relative to the home position.
In Colemak, Z X C V B all move ½u to the left.
In "vanilla" DH, Z X C move ½u to the left, V moves ½u to the right, B changes rows
In your proposal, Z X C still move ½u key to the left, B moves ½u key to the right left, V changes rows.
So it's not really fewer changes IMO.
Last edited by stevep99 (26-Mar-2021 14:17:34)
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that's not really correct but whatever (I am not comparing to DH, but to colemak).
Anyway, I was just asking if it's been talked about before. I am liking it quite a lot. It makes it obvious how often I hit V, since that's the most awkward change, it makes the more common letters and it scores better on the analyzer, especially when I tweak effort values for my own opinion (where index stretch inward is more effortful)
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How does it hold up in analysis on ortho vs row-staggered boards? SteveP?
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DH iso std 1.73528
DH iso b/v 1.73318
DH matrix std 1.72621
DH matrix b/v 1.72526
B and V are both fairly rare, but B being a bit more common, it does improve the score slightly by swapping B/V. But the corpus is obviously based on typing text and doesn't take into account X/C/V shortcuts etc. I don't think it's a worthwhile swap personally, but if bombdiggity is happy with it then all to the good!
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The shortcut doesn't bother me, but I sure notice how many command line utilities I use (e.g. vim) that use 'v'!
I might switch it back, but I must say that in general I like the DH mod a lot, I just now need to rewrite 5 years of muscle memory.
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