Hmmm, so maybe having just the Extend key as a dual-function key would be a good solution? It'd be a lot easier to implement than generic dual-role key mappings.

UPDATE 2019-01

• @ecdf: The latest PKL_eD v0.4.7 does indeed support a dual-role Extend modifier! You can set a tap release entry and a tap time in the Settings .ini file.
• Furthermore, there's now Multi-Extend, meaning that you can set two modifiers (e.g., RAlt and RShift) that will work with the Extend key to select a layer.
• Also, layers may be one-shot so they return to another layer (usually Ext1) after an entry has  been sent.

• From PKL_eD v0.4.8 you can also have sticky a.k.a. one-shot modifiers. Tap the modifier, then the key you want modified within a specified time.

Read about all this in the main post and on Github! ^_^

Hi! Glad you're enjoying EPKL!

Asking in here is totally okay. It's nice that we have several access channels. On the other hand, registering a GitHub account and reporting a bug isn't much work so if you do feel tempted to try at some point I can recommend it. ^_^ But I do understand that there are many platforms and little time.

By 'Pos1' you mean the 'Home' key, right? So Ext+S+L should select to the beginning of the line, as it does for me, but doesn't for you on your Win10 PC? Or did you mean the physical Shift and the physical Home keys – which also work for me? I really can't tell what's happening there, but you can try some debugging techniques:
• Turn on the "AHK Key History" from the EPKL menu (with AdvancedMode on as is the default). Press those keys then F5 to update its window.
• Try with physical Shift vs the Extend one. Ext+Shift+L works like Ext+S+L for me, since Shift isn't mapped to anything in the Extend layers.
• If you look in your BaseLayout.ini file, you can comment out the definitions of the offending keys and see if it makes a difference.

Same with the Cockos Reaper app: I don't know, but have a look at the key history and see if you notice anything interesting.

If you're indeed talking about the physical Home etc keys, then commenting out this part of the relevant BaseLayout.ini should work:

SC152 = INSERT  	VirtualKey
SC153 = DELETE  	VirtualKey
SC147 = HOME    	VirtualKey
SC14f = END     	VirtualKey
SC149 = PRIOR   	VirtualKey
SC151 = NEXT    	VirtualKey

This means that you cannot use those keys for Extend mappings. But you probably didn't need that anyway, and nowadays you can always use another Extend layer instead! Meanwhile, I use those keys with Extend to produce arcane demos like writing Colemak-ⲔⲰ[eD] or Θώθ with Koptic/Greek letters, calling the Emoji menu or summoning daemons:

             ______             
 Col    .d$$$******$$$$c.  mak  
 \e/ .d$P"            "$$c \-/  
    $$$$$.     C     .$$$*$.    
  .$$ 4$L*$$.     .$$Pd$  '$b   
  $F   *$. "$$e.e$$" 4$F   ^$b  
 d$     $$   z$$$e   $$     '$. 
 $P  m  `$L$$P` `"$$d$"   k  $$ 
 $$     e$$F   C   4$$b.     $$ 
 $b  .$$" $$   o  .$$ "4$b.  $$ 
 $$e$P"    $b     d$`    "$$c$F 
 '$P$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  
  "$c.      4$.  $$       .$$   
   ^$$.  DH  $$ d$"  AW  d$P    
     "$$c.   `$b$F    .d$P"     
 CAW   `4$$$c.$$$..e$$P"   [eD] 
           `^^^^^^^`            

Yes, Cmk-eD_ISO should be the right BaseLayout for the German-ISO one. But it's seen in the layout.ini file if you're in doubt.

I like having the üäö (or rather, their Norwegian counterparts åæø) under indexes. I use a Wide ergo mod for this, which is what you have too. If you semi-hover while typing it's not hard to move your hand in, and you can even choose whether to use the right or left hand for them. If you want to use pinkies, you can easily get this by using only Angle (I really recommend that!). Then your bracket keys will be back where they started, and with them the special glyphs.

For the smoothest experience, switch to another set of dead key images and generate new help images or use the standard Angle ones. All this is set in the first section of layout.ini.

Yes, KeePass2 likely has a low-level keyboard hook that competes with EPKL. It's not something we can do so much about unfortunately. I use Ctrl+Shift+` to suspend EPKL which usually works in these cases.

The Extend mappings are by scan code without ergo mods. The recommended way to get, e.g., the Angle mod for them is to set the "hard" remap in your layout.ini file, like this:

mapSC_extend    = Angle_ISO

The layout and extend SC maps may differ concerning "soft" mods like Curl-DH, but are usually the same for "hard" mods like AngleWide.

Yes, the easiest way to change a few mappings is to add a few lines to your layout.ini file. And the easiest way to point to your file is to change the locale (e.g., from 'De' to 'De-Cool') by renaming the folder and changing the locale accordingly in EPKL_Settings.

To update the help images you need to generate new ones, and for that you have to have the Inkscape program. But for most people, using help images that are mostly similar to your actual layout will be good enough.

The AHK history will indeed show four events per key for a remapped key:
1) The actual physical key-down (marked h since it's hooked as an AHK hotkey)
2) The key-down sent by EPKL (AHK artificial key event)
3) The sent key-up
4) The actual key-up (suppressed)

EPKL has autorepeat of held keys, as that is the expected behavior of a held key. I'm therefore not sure how to skirt your problem as long as the key in question is used by EPKL. Maybe if I added a setting to disable autorepeat... phew...

The Shift keys are mapped by default in EPKL, to allow Sticky Shift. If you don't need that you could try unmapping LShift and RShift (and RCtrl) in your (base)layout.ini file. Maybe that'll solve your mouse button problem. The Alt (Command) and Tab keys aren't mapped so you wouldn't expect trouble with those – as confirmed by your experience.

On a side note, mapping Alt and Tab are both troublesome with AHK/EPKL vs other programs, so I try to avoid those.

Sticky Shift or OneShotModifiers is very useful for some, especially fast typists. Instead of having to hold down the modifier you can tap it and then quickly hit the key you want modified. In the EPKL settings you can set the tap timer in milliseconds.

Apart from that functionality, I don't think you're missing anything by commenting out the modifiers.

There's an old semi-bug from the PKL days, which the next release will change and fix. But for now, the mapping of the extend_key must be exactly like the key mapped. Grats on finding that one out!

You could've used 'SC038 = VK' for simplicity instead of mapping its levels.

In the next release, the 'extend_key = ' setting is replaced by mapping the key in question as 'SC### = Extend Modifier'.

I've had some problems with mapping a key to be LAlt, since that key works a bit particularly. So be aware of that.

Dear friend i'm sorry for answering so late but i had a lot of things on my head. There are two options for creating help images - slow(full) and quick. If i do full state it will make pkl faster or just for view only?

I want to buy ergo keyboards in the future. It will probably be a ReDox, which has only 56 keys.But I love your EPKL, you put a lot of work into it. I decided to adjust it a little bit, but if you let me have a few questions for you.
After a few modifications my concept looks like this:

the ~(Tilde) key is not much used in my language so I chose it for the SWITCH key. But it could be another key like MENU. I hope the picture is readable but I' m giving a quick legend:
Caps -> ext1 on hold \ backspace on tap
LShift - LCtrl on hold. MoDK on tap.
RSh -> CapsLock toggle on hold Shift on tap in stickyMode
ext1 looks that

this will allow you to quickly pick up numbers with letters. the key? can be changed with | or \. I put them on Shift State:

weak position will be rewarded by stickyMode and a little practice i hope. There are nice place for media control buttons keys.
So we have all the keys. But there is one problem... What if i need numbers and just the left hand? (Mouse in the right ex.) So this is for SWICH key. Something like 'next layout' hotkey but it will switch the layout defined in the settings file and created in the layout folder. So the second layouts looks like:

And will load previous after tap SWICH key. your Ext1 is now ext2. ext3 is the same

Now a little of my thoughts
pros
-numbers can be easily typed using your left or right hand
- the number of keys has been extremely reduced without significant loss of comfort
-better place for F1-12 + alto hotkeys
-Better ergonomics CTRL+CXV for Left Pinky
-keeping Mother-of-DKs functionally
-we have 2 layouts in 1 (can be more pwrStr \Dead keys or Ahk Scripts)
-better Ctrl+alt+del
-maybe more.. i should test it

Cons
-a worse position for your ext1. Now it's ext2, as altGr+Sh
-one Shift. stickyMod needs practice
-another position for the | \ ? - I haven't tested it, but maybe it can be done better
-Missing ~ but can swap  for MENU, RCtrl or something
-Now I see that i forgot {} but there is possible  reduce 4 keys more )}>] using pwrStr such as smp = α(){Left} etc. or find some place for them
;-Rctrl shortcuts  work a little bit slower
-Anything else?

maybe not everything can be done on a normal keyboard but on ReDox it shouldn't be a problem. What do you think of these things

I'm trying to do it, but I have some problems what i done:

+backspace\ext1 works

SC03a = BACK/Ext 	VKey 		; CapsLock as a Tap-or-Mod key: Backspace on tap, Extend on hold

+Mother-of-DKs\Ctrl works

SC02a = BACK/RCtrl 	0   	@ex0	@ex1	*#. 	@ex6	@ex7	; 

+assign 1-12 as f1-f12 works
+Del as BackSpace works

SC00e = DELETE    	VirtualKey

+I've changed ext1 from ext2 + and order of the numerical keys
Problems
-there is problem with sticky LCtrl. LCtrl+A pressed works but nothing happen when I want Ctrl+alt+Del
- RiShift works by taping but when pressed capsLoc' doesn't

SC136 = RShift/CAPITAL		VKey 

and the last problem...
I created a layout in

Layouts\NumLHand_ISO_AWide\layout.ini

I assigned numeric keys for left hand and added value in layouts_override. in my file looks like this

layout = @T\@L@V:@T@L@V,QWERTY\@K@E:QWERTY@K@E,NumLHand@K@E:NumLHand@

and it works fine, loads up all the layouts and changes the hotkey to the next one. But how to assign the ~(Tilde)  key to change to this specific layout now? Is there any way or function?

changeLayout( getLayInfo( "NextLayout" ) )

I found this one in the ahk files but is this what i need? how can I use it? can you give me example with path to the ini file?
and the last question. what exactly does the CStat value in the layouts file mean? I see it could be 0/1/4/5 and vKey/Modifier
I'm sorry for taking so long time. I hope I didn't tire you out. Thanks, .

Hi DreymaR,
Appreciate all the work you do on this forum, truly amazing!

I've learned the "vanilla" Colemak about 2 weeks ago, and (as I'm also Polish) started looking for a version with improved access to PL characters. Couldn't find anything simple, so I made my own in MSKLC with the characters under AltGr+[Char], as all Poles are used to with our default QWERTY layout.
Just recently discovered and played around with your EPKL and found your PL version there. However, there is an ISO version only, while I have the ANS keyboard. Is there an easy way to make it usable for ANS keyboard?
I'm eager to try out the CAW with the extended layout ;).

Does your layout have a caps lock embedded somewhere, or did you get rid of it completely? I saw you mentioned you like to swap RWIN for a caps lock, but I imagine this needs to be done in the registry? I will not be able to do that on the company's laptop unfortunately :(. And it doesn't have the RWIN anyway, so I'd need to swap it with RCTRL probably. Is possible to do it with the EPKL maybe somewhere?

Out of curiosity, for backspace do you use the native backspace position, or do you use EXT layer?

Thanks a lot!

Hi DreymaR,
Thanks, I will try to make an ANS version.

   A question for you: Generally speaking, Polish keyboards are ISO, aren't they?
I would say we use both. 5 of the keyboards I owned in the past 7 years were ANS (2 laptops and 3 stand-alone keybs), but I've seen ISO in use as well. Hard to tell which are more popular, I don't know.

You didn't answer on my last question :P
   Out of curiosity, for backspace do you use the native backspace position, or do you use EXT layer?

Thanks!

Hi again,
I did create the PL ANS version.
It wasn't that straight forward, as I had to squeeze also letter "ż", which was missing due to ANS having 1 letter less than ISO. I added it under "z" on an AltGr layer.
I also managed to create proper help images with Inkspace, which was nice and easy :).

See the LINK to download in case you want to include it in your repository.

Now, off to learning the new layout...

/Edit: After only typing with it for like 20 mins, I understood now why @kolorowy swapped the V and Z. The CAW is unusable for PL with this position of "Z". One of the most common digraphs in PL are e.g. CZ, SZ, RZ, which are so hard to reach with this layout.
I swapped V and Z also and updated the link above.
I have also changed the backgroung image to the proper one, as the one before was not correct.
The only thing I miss now are the positions of the ZXCV letters for the shortcuts, as they are all switched around. I was thinking though to use the extended layout to preserve the original QWERTY positions... would you think it's worth it though?

/Edit2: I did change ZXCV shortcuts on the extended layout to the original QWERTY positions afterall. Also updated the images for the extended layout to match the concept as well. Updated the link above again with all the changes.