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World Colemak Day

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We need to do more to promote Colemak. How about a world colemak day?
We could write blog posts, try to get the posts on various tech sites. We could buy some ad space to point people to colemak.com, hold typing races, etc...

What do you guys think? If we could make something like this happen, when would be a good date to have world colemak day and how should we coordinate? What kinds of things should we do to promote colemak?

It'd be really cool to make it a yearly event.

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Is there a Dvorak day?  Perhaps August would be good...

You could orchestrate a few video postings.

When I was trying to learn how to touch type, I had a real problem trying to find good videos on hand placement and fingering.  Just lots of promo videos, all very lightweight in content.

So I'd recommend even something with a click-bait title.  That probably doesn't include the word Colemak.

Perhaps some keyboard porn videos with obvious Colemak typing.  Or dare I say it, some speed demos.  'Efficient fast typing' or 'comfortable typing'.

Low-slung tops may help.  Any beautiful Colemakers out there?   Any Colemakers named Beyonce?  Couple that with a keyword mentioned above, and you never know...

By stealth I tell ye!

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pinkyache said:

Low-slung tops may help.  Any beautiful Colemakers out there?   Any Colemakers named Beyonce?  Couple that with a keyword mentioned above, and you never know...

By stealth I tell ye!

Ha, you have such a cynical view on the general populace!  Rather than targeting "normal" people, it would be better to target people haven't yet considered switching but are likely to be receptive to the message... i.e. people who care about efficiency and optimization, and are individualistic. In other words, IT professionals, engineers, scientists, and other geeky types. There are after all still huge numbers of Qwerty users in that group.

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stevep99 said:
pinkyache said:

Low-slung tops may help.  Any beautiful Colemakers out there?   Any Colemakers named Beyonce?  Couple that with a keyword mentioned above, and you never know...

By stealth I tell ye!

Ha, you have such a cynical view on the general populace!  Rather than targeting "normal" people, it would be better to target people haven't yet considered switching but are likely to be receptive to the message... i.e. people who care about efficiency and optimization, and are individualistic. In other words, IT professionals, engineers, scientists, and other geeky types. There are after all still huge numbers of Qwerty users in that group.

I agree. "Normal" people do not care about touch-typing and keyboard layout. "Good enough" does not need to be changed.
Honestly, I do not think that any alternative keyboard has a chance to be generally accepted and be used by more than a fraction of percent of computer users, look to the history of Dvorak. Qwerty is a "self-propelling" standard, it will go away together with the keyboard.

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Personally, the goal I'd set for WCD (World Colemak Day) is to build enough of a user base and gain enough attention that Microsoft adds support to Windows for Colemak. All the other OS'es support it. If we accomplished that goal over the next several years, it'd be awesome. Especially for those of us who are forbidden to install 3rd party software at work.

It'd be win win. A win for Windows Colemak users, and for the people we could educate and possibly convert to Colemak.

I believe in this layout enough that I'm willing to put time, effort, and even money behind it. Who's with me! :)

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If I understand right, the strange absence of Colemak in Windows is a result of stubbornness of a single person.

https://forum.colemak.com/topic/1983-as … o-windows/

http://archives.miloush.net/michkap/arc … 04051.html

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You do not understand right at all.

There is the same "strange absence" of all alternative layouts except Dvorak that had a standing early on.

Microsoft layout policy precludes you and me from adding layouts to their OS, no matter how cool they are. They require a national state to back up any layout requests, for the most part. Exceptions are few and far apart. This has been a problem for some suppressed minorities like the Uighur.

Michael Kaplan has tried to explain this, and some hotheaded colemakers managed to piss him off so much that he became vocally against all things colemak for a while. He's in fact not much of a decision maker in the Microsoft empire, but more of an implementer with too few resources. I think he's a cool guy – if you don't come across as pushy and entitled.

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@Dreymar, that's fascinating, I know you've mentioned it before.  It could do with being placed in a shady corner in the FAQ.

@SteveP, I was your potential target audience then.  I'd put off learning how to touch type.  Had heard about Dvorak, and I'd read something along the lines that it was more efficient and faster/easier to learn.

Anyway my point was than if I'd come across some good touch typing tutorials, where Colemak was mentioned (but not the main feature), it may have raised my eyebrows.  So a video that shows optimised home row typing could well include a reference to home row inspired layouts.

Once someone has heard of the layout, you've then the battle to convince them that it's a better alternative than the alternatives!  Which isn't the easiest of things.

When it comes to Microsoft operating systems it's still quite clumsy to change and select layouts.  It's buggy.  And other OSs have copied some bad patterns too.  So having Colemak there isn't the saving grace.  I'm stuck with ANSI Dvorak on Windows and that can be a bit annoying for me.  I use a slight UK variant usually.

If I wanted to do things like apply the angle mod, I'd be back to square one.  So a better open universal layout description file that could easily be applied to sessions on whatever system would be helpful.

You can still advocate and get excited, putting the practicalities aside.

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Thank you for the explanation DreymaR, it is clear now. That also means that we will not see Colemak in Windows, unless it becomes ANSI standard like Dvorak.

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Regarding the "better alternative", friend of mine is interesting in alternative layout, and I could not convince him to Colemak because from his point of view it is not "standard" enough. Ironically, he is Mac user, where Colemak is just suppored. :) His choice is Dvorak, Programmers Dvorak to be exact. I suspect that "programmers" flavor was the major point in his decision.

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Regarding the "better alternative", friend of mine is interesting in alternative layout, and I could not convince him to Colemak because from his point of view it is not "standard" enough. Ironically, he is Mac user, where Colemak is just suppored. :) His choice is Dvorak, Programmers Dvorak to be exact. I suspect that "programmers" flavor was the major point in his decision.

Tell him to do a bit of research, and also come and read this forum for a bit before making the decision.  While Dvorak is obviously still a big up step from Qwerty, I don't see the overall benefit in choosing it over Colemak for a first-time switcher.  I think it's  more important that a layout is widely supported and has a community around it, than being a formal ANSI standard, so Colemak would still be a sensible choice for him.

I agree with pinkyache, a universal layout description file would be the perfect solution. Then people could just customize their layout to their own preference, and carry around that configuration in a file that would Just Work™ on any computer they needed to use.

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I like the idea of programmers Dvorak, but I'd be stuck on my primary workstation with that customisation.  As I said it's irritating enough swapping a few keys with Dvorak flavours.  No £ sign at fingertips under ANSI Dvorak.  It has cross platform adoption, but it's still weird.  Under Windows 10 recently, I set up Dvorak, but the keyboard still used Qwerty in Internet Explorer even after a relaunch.  Usual weird garbage bug, that vanished probably after a reboot.  So expect friction, and especially expect friction if you go off chops.

Try and coin in one sentence Colemak.  Then another in a mini-paragraph extolling all its virtues.

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The "programmer's" bit shouldn't be about the letter layout but about symbols and tricks. My "programmer's" layout, therefore, is Extend and maybe a good AltGr layer. The letter block is for typing and actual typing text is a very minor part of programming. The important bit is navigation and editing, where Extend is your friend.

Colemak is "symbol agnostic": It doesn't change the symbol keys, so you can use whatever suits you and it'll still be Colemak. Feel free to make your symbol key setup more programmer-friendly if you wish to do so.

IMNSHO, the AltGr mappings aren't central to Colemak either. Sure, the vanilla Colemak install has a lot of symbols on AltGr+keys but they're not optimal for any language and I feel that changing any of that doesn't make the layout less Colemak.

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The "programmer's" bit shouldn't be about the letter layout but about symbols and tricks. My "programmer's" layout, therefore, is Extend and maybe a good AltGr layer. The letter block is for typing and actual typing text is a very minor part of programming. The important bit is navigation and editing, where Extend is your friend.

Colemak is "symbol agnostic": It doesn't change the symbol keys, so you can use whatever suits you and it'll still be Colemak. Feel free to make your symbol key setup more programmer-friendly if you wish to do so.

IMNSHO, the AltGr mappings aren't central to Colemak either. Sure, the vanilla Colemak install has a lot of symbols on AltGr+keys but they're not optimal for any language and I feel that changing any of that doesn't make the layout less Colemak.

I know all of these that you are talking about and make sure I told that to my friend. But. He consider Colemak as "homebrew" layout with no support and no potential future (this is his opinion, not mine, I'm typing Colemak right now :) ). While Dvorak is an ANSI standard, this is all about it.

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So, what I'm trying to tell, Colemak is need to be popularized, but I absolutely agree to stevep99 that "normal" people should not be a target. It is quite hard to convince even the IT professionals and engineers who considering switching. They should be a target.

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You can raise awareness of alternative keyboard layouts to 'normal' people.  I usually do.  I don't ever tell people I use Dvorak, but if people are stuck finding a key on their keyboard, I mention that different countries have different layouts.

In the UK, rushed Windows installs would often see the keyboard set up for the US, leading to glyph mismatches and ensuing headaches.

I remember having to troubleshoot a Windows laptop configured for an Italian, and I had real difficulty navigating settings.  I can't say that even the icons were much of a help in Windows - I as totally lost, and I was a Windows tech support guy at the time.  OS makers should make it far more intuitive to configure/swap the user interface if needed.

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The funny thing is that I actually believe Colemak to be better supported than Dvorak these days, overall. Yes, Windows OS has Dvorak. But the Colemak community is more vibrant and supportive from what I gather. And to get the full benefits of Extend and other must-haves, I prefer PKL anyway.

For Mac, it's a toss-up but with Mkborregaard's files Colemak is the winner I think. For Linux, same (with my files).

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DreymaR said:

The funny thing is that I actually believe Colemak to be better supported than Dvorak these days, overall. Yes, Windows OS has Dvorak. But the Colemak community is more vibrant and supportive from what I gather. And to get the full benefits of Extend and other must-haves, I prefer PKL anyway.

For Mac, it's a toss-up but with Mkborregaard's files Colemak is the winner I think. For Linux, same (with my files).

Colemak might be better supported but Dvorak still seems to be the leader in alternative layouts (at least according to Google Trends).

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So getting the word out in some way would benefical.

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Even Dvorak's trend is going down, doesn't that show that people are not interested in alternative layouts?

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ckofy said:

Even Dvorak's trend is going down, doesn't that show that people are not interested in alternative layouts?

Well Colemak seems to be trending steady but you might be right that people are less interested in trying a new layout. But, maybe that's all the more reason to get out the word on alternative layouts as many people actually might benefit from them.

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jsmithy said:

Colemak might be better supported but Dvorak still seems to be the leader in alternative layouts (at least according to Google Trends).

http://i.imgur.com/CTpJW8p.png

So getting the word out in some way would benefical.

But many of those Dvorak searches could be referring to the composer, not the layout.  And I bet more people are interested in the composer than the layout, so I'm not convinced that graph tells us anything useful.

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For what it's worth, here's a "de-composed" Google Trends comparison:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q … d%20layout

The trend is about the same, if a little more noisy and less conspicuous. Over the last 5 years, Colemak searches have been about 30% as common as Dvorak searches with an ever so slight decline in Dvorak searches that does not seem to be present for Colemak. In fact, Colemak searches have been remarkably stable.

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Not exactly about the World Colemak Day, but just because I've mentioned that in this topic already. My friend who I told about who tried to learn Programmers Dvorak told me today that he gave up and go back to QWERTY. He said that he got tired of need to put fingers in home position to type even a short word and that his speed is not growing and that in second thought he doesn't think that touch typing is much needed for programmer. He also mentioned difference in shortcuts between Dvorak and ЙЦУКЕН which he also using and which keeps QWERTY shortcuts.
At the same time, in contradiction to himself, he said that he thinking about learning QWERTY touch-typing to benefit from it (he is not touch-type in QWERTY). In my opinion the real reason of giving up is the discomfort of been "not like others". So this is the story. Still can not convince him to give Colemak a try.

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ckofy said:

...he doesn't think that touch typing is much needed for programmer...

I'm also a programmer and I would say the following. I agree that programming well has little to do with raw speed, but once you think of a solution, or know what you need to program, I find it useful to get those ideas down as quickly as possible. For example I couldn't imagine not typing at least 40+ wpm (and for people that spend all day on a computer this shouldn't be too hard to achieve)

Probably more importantly, I'm astounded that he isn't touch typing. This at the very least is important to me. As a job you are programming for many hours a day, and you want to be doing so for many years. Touch typing increases your comfort (reducing potential strain and injury) and it's definitely faster (which probably helps at least in minor ways in coding, but definitely in writing emails, typing documentation, proposals, or many other related tasks).

If he is going to learn to touch type then it seems like an excellent time to learn a new layout and develop better patterns.

As a counterpoint with someone that really feels like typing fast helps out you can have him read the following, We Are Typists First, Programmers Second.

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What a programmer really really needs, is Extend! I advise you to get him hooked on that ASAP.

Then, the rest will follow. ;-)

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