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    Colemak android thoughts

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    Just got an android smartphone

    noticed that if I plug in my usb dongle via a micro-usb OTG adapter I can use my keyboard and mouse with the phone

    so far so cool

    apart from its garbage as i've mucked about with all my keycaps to make them as close to mod-DH wide as I can

    has anyone tried:

    a) using dreymars linux install script on android, i guess it could work as android is effectively linux
    b) using a hardware intervention, like one of those usb keyboard mappers

    c) (this one would be wild) using a single keyboard mouse with something like synergy, so you could control laptop and phone *without* having to muck about with moving adapters?

    I have figured out how to get the colemak keyboard actually on the screen of the phone, but as you can't touch type on such a small screen (5") I don't see that this is any advantage. I also noted that if you change the onscreen keyboard to colemak, it has no bearing on a keyboard you plug in via usb, i.e. that will still be qwerty

    If I can get emacs on the phone via termux and also have some colemak keyboard input I'll be able to use my phone as another computer - that would be awesome

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    I don't think Android uses the X11 server (and XKB)? If it doesn't, it isn't "effectively Linux" for my purposes. ;-)

    In the worst case scenario, this is where a USB-2-USB converter may shine. That's pretty much guaranteed to work, as all it does as far as the phone/computer is concerned, is present itself as a USB keyboard.

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    yes - you could be right there, I don't yet know what the windowing system is on android. I'll look into it

    were you selling a usb mapper at one point?

    the other would be a programmable keyboard, i.e. one that could be physically spitting out colemak as opposed to having to translate on the OS side? I think the typematrix is an example??

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    a few days into owning a smartphone, and it already looks like this:

    30774561501_003da0e373_k.jpg

    what a geek!

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    Neato! ^_^

    I'm not selling the USB-USB keymapper; Hasu from GeekHack is. Check the USB-2-USB post from my sig links.

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    so have you bought a hasu? and have you configured it for wide angle mod-DH?

    would you recommend it (looks like you do judging by your linked post)?

    maybe I should invest?

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    I'm having tons of fun with it (at the moment I'm revising my code for use with an updated map format so I can use it for a PS/2-USB converter too!), but of course it'll set you back around $60 which may or may not be your preferred way of spending money. ^_^

    Yes, with my config you can elect to use a gamut of angle/wide mods with any base layout. You could easily make AngleWide Dvorak or that-layout-with-all-the-same-finger-bigrams. ;-) Also all Tarmak steps with or without mod-DH (mine or SteveP's) through a bit of code trickery that I'm rather pleased with.

    I primarily use the converter for my work computer that doesn't let me run PKL or install anything myself anymore. I do miss some AltGr keys at times, but on the upside I have two Extend layers and support for a couple of hotstrings which is more than I have in PKL right now. And when I figure out how to do modifiers my preferred way, there may be 3–4 Extend layers! The onboard memory is the limit there, as it's currently only 32 kb.

    On a side note, there's an exciting new Teensy or two (v3.5–3.6) coming up with lots of lots of Flash memory...!

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    There is also a previous topic about this which might be useful.

    Using Colemak Mod-DH with some additional ergonomic keyboard mods.

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    well by the time you've bought the bits and committed the time, $60 may start looking cheap?

    do you think you could fit it between a laptop and a wifi keyboard/mouse dongle?

    in other words, can it work with wireless keyboard/mouse?

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    I don't see why not. It won't be doing anything for the mouse, I guess? Not sure whether it could pass through the mouse signals.

    The only concern I might envision is whether it'll provide enough current to the WiFi dongle at all times. But I guess it would. We could have someone at GeekHack try it out, I'm sure.

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